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Crazy times when the bar fell so low that Bush isn't even considered to be one of the worst US presidents anymore. US hardliners have all gone so crazy that people like him, by comparison, appear to be moderate now.
Trump was the greatest thing to ever happen to GW's legacy
@glimse @DarkThoughts
& Nixon's.
Remember the "miss me now?" signs with Bush on them after Obama was elected?
I hate to say it, but... compared to the alternative Republicans have on offer these days, yes.
Jesus, that was such a weird time that folks wanted Bush back despite the super recession he caused. Obama really rocked the right hard so they said to themselves "never be mocked by libruls again" and are trying to take down democracy. And folks were calling out the fascist direction back with Bush/Cheney too.
Then your memory is lacking, sorry to say. Bush is the patriot act, Iraq war, border fence, torture program, PRISM, secret courts, worst economic crisis since the great depression, too big to fail, surplus-to-deficit, rich tax cuts, axis of evil, no child left behind (deceptively-named act that burdened public schools), global embarrassment guy. He is actually worse than trump, and unlike trump's fumbling ass, bush was well-connected enough to successfully steal the election in 2000 with help from the supreme court. Don't help republicans shift the overton window by rehabilitating that war criminal's image and treating him as some sort of moderate.
Do you know how many worse things I could list about Trump? Shall we start with how he let a million Americans die with his COVID policy?
Feel free to list them. As for COVID, Biden was just as eager to open things up, he was just lucky that the vaccine became a thing as he entered office, so he could fast-track that (Trump tried to sabotage the rollout on his way out because he's a sore loser). Lockdowns weren't popular among the capitalist class because of the impact to business, and you can see they weren't taken seriously with a number of politicians flouting lockdown rules (including democrats). As a reminder, Bush was warned about a potential terrorist attack happening and then let 9/11 happen on his watch, then used that as an excuse to launch two wars and install a vast surveillance apparatus, secret courts, and a torture program.
Okay, let's start with all the "great" things Trump did for queer people. (I'm guessing you will handwave all of this away.)
https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community
Do you think bush was some sort of champion of LGBT rights? He also attacked them as a distraction. It's a common republican tactic.
I never said he was. I did predict you would handwave that away though. Thanks for proving me right.
We're doing a comparison. Me pointing out that Bush was just as bad in this regard is not a "handwave" it's part of the comparison. Your "many worse things" list turned out to be a damp squib.
You pointed out that he was just as bad. You didn't provide any evidence to that effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/politics/bush-backs-ban-in-constitution-on-gay-marriage.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122050
So... not as bad.
How? You claimed I was handwaving, but you're the one handwaving. You project like a republican and you play into their hands by pretending trump is a special case when he's really just following standard republican policy.
Your links showed that Bush took far fewer actions on oppressing queer people than Trump. What did you expect me to say?
If we're going to play that game, how many wars did trump start vs bush? How many torture programs did trump start vs bush? How many surveillance apparatuses did trump start vs bush?
Now you're changing the subject. I wonder why?
You changed the subject first by ignoring all the heinous shit I listed for bush. There you go projecting again.
I'm pretty sure I'm not projecting when you did, in fact, change the subject from their relative treatment of queer people.
Go back and read the thread from the beginning. I'm not going to play your bad faith games.
Why should I read from the beginning when you changed the subject a handful of posts ago? Would that alter the fact that you changed the subject? I'm pretty sure that accusing me of doing it first doesn't alter what you did.
I didn't change the subject, you did. I listed all the things that bush was worse for and you decided to change the subject to one that wasn't even a political focus back then. When it came to lgbt rights back then, it was mainly about marriage, and bush was against that. Bush was also for upholding sodomy laws, as one of my links pointed out. Do you honestly think that bush would be for trans rights or whatever other lgbt issues that are the focus today?
Sure looks like a change of subject to me:
And here's the actual issue. You know nothing about what queer people faced under Trump and what they're going to face if he gets back into office. I'm guessing that's in part because you didn't actually look at my link.
Go further up the thread. I'm not going to play your stupid games.
Going further up the thread will not have made the change of subject I pasted not a change of subject. Strange that you're accusing me of playing games when you're doing the "what are you going to believe, me or your own eyes" thing...
It would show that you were the one who changed the subject in the first place. Nice try, but I'm used to talking to disingenuous trolls like you.
Yes, again, accusing me of changing the subject doesn't mean you did not change the subject. I demonstrated very clearly that you did.