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This is why you don't commit war crimes: it puts your whole diaspora I'm danger.
While it shouldn't be on them, the diaspora could shift its position and join the protests against the war crimes. Break the Israel-Jew connection semites and antisemites are drawing for their respective purposes. I bet this would decrease antisemitism and improve its safety dramatically.
While I don't disagree with the concept at all here, I'm a little uneasy over the idea that anyone would have to do anything to go out of the way for their own safety, especially taking up a political cause. That should be the default
What's interesting, or awful, is that was exactly what was being asked of Palestinian and Middle Eastern diaspora members: that they hadn't disavowed Hamas (or ISIS, or going back to 2001, Al Qaeda) enough and were suspect until they did.
It was so bad that we saw joke headlines like "Palestinian children killed in Israeli strike criticised for not condemning Hamas".
No question. Unfortunately some folks would go out of their way to endanger the safety of others, whether they like it or not. If I've learned anything about democracy and society it's that passive stability (in safety and other regards) seems impossible. Some people have to be actively working to maintain such stability. If you have a well funded government that represents your interests, then public servants will do most of this work, you just go and vote. If you don't... more of that work gets outsourced to private individuals. And since there always are private individuals who are working towards replacing, underfunding, undermining governments, it follows that even if you have such a government that is favorable to protect you, you still have to work to counteract those other folks.
Jewish groups have been protesting the whole time. Fuck, before all this it was Jewish folks who introduced me to anti Zionism. In late October I had to hear a whole thing about the crackdown against Jewish pro Palestine protesters in New York and how the media keeps ignoring them or brushing aside the fact that some of these protests are Jewish led. (I was at a party hosted by a Jewish anti Zionist friend the day after a Jewish anti Zionist protest in central station was broken up) In fact Israel had to crack down against Israeli protestors arguing for peace and a measured response.
This is not Jews vs Palestinians or Jews vs Muslims. This is Israel (the government and a significant portion of their citizens) and their supporters against the people of Palestine.
Am aware. I'm imagining a much larger and more outspoken shift. If the status quo is 20/80 where 20 speak against Israel's actions and 80 don't, a flip to 80 speaking against.
Ok or, we could listen to the Arabic Americans about their experiences 20 years ago and learn not to demand ethnic groups constantly denounce foreign people just because they’re the same ethnicity because it turns out that really sucks.
Percentage-wise Jews are actually overrepresented in pro Palestine rallies and protests.
There aren't actually that many Jews in the world. Continuing the hypothetical 20%, if 20% of Americans would go protesting the numbers would be insane.
Honestly, a lot of people are. But the big groups, like AIPAC and the ADL, are pretty heavily pro-Israel.
As if the bigots would update their lists of who to hate lol
That's such a great point. I never thought about that.