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Not every rationalist I've met has been nice or smart ^^.
I think it's hard to grow up in our society, without harboring a kernel of fascism in our hearts, it's easy to fall into the constantly sold "everything would work better if we just put the right people in charge". With varying definitions of who the "right people" are:
Do they deserve better? Absolutely, but you can't remove their agency, they ultimately chose this. The world is messy and broken, it's fine not to make too much peace with that, but you have to ponder your ends and your means more thoughtfully than a lot of EAs/Rationalists do. Falling prey to magical thinking is a choice, and/or a bias you can overcome (Which I find extremely ironic given the bias correction advertising in Rationalists spheres)
i concur that rationalist "niceness" is paper thin
repeatedly pointing out that they are the other ten guys at the table breaking bread with literal fucking Nazis worked well to get rid of the TPOT smol bean uwu race scientists on Bluesky, even after they had been personally invited there by Bsky's founders
Absolutely, and this is unfortunately a deep and far reaching thing that requires tons of unlearning. That’s why I will never let my kids watch paw patrol
Do you reckon it's a flaw in our society, or is it a human thing?
Both. Humans are fundamentally a social animal, Rousseau's "State of nature" doesn't really exist.
Both society and humans are also the cure though:
I don't believe the flaw can be eliminated, nor that the attempt would be ethical. Perfect is the enemy of good, you should teach people as best you can, but in the end still let them choose, anything else is thought-stopping cultish totalitarianism.
I like the quote from Terry Pratchett, (Granny Weatherwax)
I think the worst parts of society, and innate "laziness" leads people to treat others (or yourself) as things, but that it's also innate to "know" not to treat others (or yourself) as things.
I don't believe the flaw is hopeless, even if it stays with us forever (at the individual and societal level).
Amen to all of this. Based and Granny-Pilled.