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"We've almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!" The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.

"Senator Amidala is in a coma. Even if she recovers, she will never be the same and may not live long." But no.... George had to have his god-damned funeral scene, even if it demanded Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to save Carrie Fisher's most emotionally resonant moment from ROTJ, as well as one of the more intriguing OT lore dumps.

Bonus points if a scene was scripted or filmed and got cut.

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[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The line does appear in the film, though on review it does appear that Inigo takes the line from Frezik. Probably that was because Andre the giant didn't actually speak English very well. Forgive my confusion, since I'd more recently read the book than watched the movie and the scene in question is only changed slightly. So in point of fact, it was still a throwaway line and it was still in the movie.

Never the less, Inigo was seeking the Man in Black to aid his own revenge, not because of Wesley's true love for Buttercup, so where and when he learned of the man in black's love for Buttercup is mostly irrelevant to the plot. Moreover, Wesley declares "True Love" to Max before Inigo says anything about love to Max.

This is all especially amusing, since we are debating a single line in a movie, based on a book, that is itself a self declared abridged version of another book.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You're definitely confused, and it's definitely a plot hole created by cutting out Andre's line. Fezzik dunks Inigo's head in the barrels of water, and then Inigo says he needs Vizzini to plan an attack on the six fingered man. "But Vizzini is dead" says Fezzik. And Inigo decides that the Man in Black must have bested Vizzini in smarts, and so he could help them plan revenge. End scene.

Later we see the Man in Black being tortured, and Humperdinck turns the machine all the way up to 11, and the whole kingdom hears him scream. We see Buttercup hears it, and then Inigo and Fezzik walking through a crowd. Inigo recognizes it as the sound his heart made when Rugen killed his father. He deduces that it must be the Man in Black because his true love marries another tonight. Fezzik appears to be surprised by all of this.

There are plenty of ways a throwaway line could hae filled the gap, and it was in th script and in the book. But in the movie, it's a plot hole.

Also fun fact, there is no "unabridged version" of the book, and S Morgenstern doesn't exist. That was part of the conceit for the book. All the stuff about looking for the original and finding it too boring to reprint, that's part of the story. All of the details in the book about Goldman himself are also fictional. Goldman also references additional chapters and a sequel that his publisher has, but cannot publish due to legal complications with the Morgenstern estate.

I love everything about the movie, the book, the author, and the cast.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Yes, that's basically what I said. I know there is no unabridged version of the book, because I'm not a dunce. That was the joke, but you're so worried about being right and getting the last word you missed it.

I've seen the movie damn near a thousand times. I've read the book (didn't I already make this clear). We're both fans.

It's not a plot hole. It's a single stepped on line that does not matter to the plot and major motivations of the characters.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

It's not a stepped on line. The line isn't in the movie. Watch it again.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

I did a rewatch after your first comment. The line is there. Inigo says it, when Fezzik should have. But, you were right in that it doesn't make sense for Inigo to say it because we were never shown when he learned of Wesley's love of Buttercup. But Inigo wasn't looking for the Man in Black to assist true love, he just wanted whomever bested Vizzini to help in his revenge plot.

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