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You want me to explain why a foreign government shouldn't be "wiped out" for a war crime?
By that logic, why shouldn't Israel's government be "wiped out" for the attacks on civilians leading up to it?
Or at least for their actions after it where they killed 10x more civilians and destroyed billions in infrastructure?
And that's not even getting into how Israels government draws no distinction from someone who lives and Gaza and belongs to Hamas.
Your logic just doesn't seem to be consistent, and you're focusing on the one time Hamas did anything comparable to how Israel has treated Palestinian civilians over 70 years...
Yes I want you to explain how the extreme brutality of what Hamas soldiers did on Oct 7th compares to Israel relating. Have you watched the videos? I'm not denying the treatment of Palestine citizens by Israel but that does not give Hamas the right to do what they did on Oct 7th. Again watch the videos Hamas themselves recorded during the attack. They killed those people because their religion told them to. Hamas themselves said they will keep doing it again and again. I understand the death toll is high. But again what would you rather do? I'm just trying to understand your logic. I don't know how to wage war but I can take an educated guess that it's pretty difficult to tell the difference between a Gaza citizen and a Hamas solders as they don't wear any kind of uniform and purposely hide amongst civilians. I'm not defending killing civilians in asking what your alternative strategy would be. Or how you think Israel and us should respond. Because zero response is an unacceptable answer.
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So why aren't you calling for Israel's government to be wiped out when they've spent decades killing way more civilians?
I don't think you understand that part.
If you think that should happen to Hamas, but not Israel's government.
Then you're just saying Palestinians have no human rights but Israelis do.
Like, you're mad at someone punching back, but not the person who spent decades punching first.
Well if I'm being honest from what I know it sure doesn't seem like Israel punched first. Can you educate me in what you mean by killing more civilians? Like are you talking about similar retaliatory attacks killing civilians more civilians. Because currently I understand why is Israel is killing more civilians. I'm not arguing it's right. I don't think there is a right answer here. I do think the context of the attacks matters. Hamas has stated very clearly they intend on perpetrating Oct 7th again and again. Jews being in their holy land is literally against their religion they have said this repeatedly. You can ask a Hamas solder why he's fighting and he will tell you this. Can you provide an alternative to what Israel is doing? I've asked several times. I wish I had an answer.
Here's an example from 2021
https://abcnews.go.com/International/100-civilians-killed-1000-wounded-israel-intensifies-attacks/story?id=77685310
But you keep saying you have no knowledge on this subject at all...
You shouldn't be asking for random social media accounts to explain shit like this.
Like, is this really how you think it's best to learn about geopolitics?
Asking strangers online?
It's not like this is some crazy niche.
It's just hard for me to believe you're sincerely asking these questions and are so opinionated that Israel is in the right. I'm not responding anymore.
I didn't say I have no knowledge of the subject or did I ask you to teach me geopolitics. I asked you to explain your opinion on the matter. When it comes to understanding someone's opinion I find it best to ask the person directly. But you haven't really responded to any of my questions so I'm still pretty confused about it for the most part. I'll read the article you posted. But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas the right to do what they did and Israel just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It's ok if you don't believe me. All I can do is say what I'm doing and you take it however you want.
Why is that not equally valid?
Be more specific about what you're talking about and I can respond. Different people and circumstances matters. Context is important.