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Someone stop the ride, I want to get off
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First things first.
Criticizing Biden is fine, and everyone should, for the first three years and six months.
Also, if it wasn’t clear, Biden is super pissed off at Bibi for all his shit. But once trump is defeated we’ll all dogpile on. (Agree dissing ICC is vr bad as well fwiw)
Until then, there is not much difference between “not voting bc genoside” / “grr biden genocide democrats” and https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
I can only think people either are very aware of it (because it’s exactly right) or not aware of it at all, possibly their first time eligible to vote.
Bibi may lose this election for Biden, and spiral the world downward. This will only strengthen the ties the US has with Israel, however. Trump would absolutely throw a ton of weight behind them, and perhaps even involve the US directly in the genocide.
Bibi doesn't give a shit about Biden, and Biden is showing an astonishing amount of weakness by not standing up to him. I'm fucking embarrassed for him, and the entire democratic party.
If the only possible outcome is a strengthening of relations with a genocidal colonial project then the American democratic experiment has been dead for a long time
Yes?
Agreed. If the Bushes hadn’t fucked us up so much in the middle east already we’d have maybe at least one or two more options, but right-wing assholes like GDubz and Bibi ruin everything.
So one of the other things that is very frustrating is always being told that we just need to wait until after the next election to criticize anything. Our election cycles never seem to end.
Yeah man life is really fuckin frustrating. Welcome to earf.
You absolutely should not be waiting until the next election cycle. You should be voicing your opinion, voting in off-cycle and local elections, and voting for the least harmful option in every election, including the presidential election. It’s a huge machine and voting once every 4 years for the pre-packaged candidate isn’t an effective strategy if you actually want things to change.
Vote for people that make things better in your community, city, county, state, and then think about federal elections. Displacing the trove of do-nothings or detrimental actors in the smaller elections will change sentiment in the parties and will change the candidates they put through in the primaries… but it will take years for that to happen.
Either that or revolution… but that’s going to be a whole lot worse for everyone for a few decades, best case scenario.
That’s the problem. Most of the far left idealists don’t give a shit between elections. This happens every cycle. And every cycle they never learn.
Citation please. The most politically active people I know are well to the left of me. The handful of tankies I know in real life are the most active.
Who’s their candidate? For anything?
PSL's De La Cruz
Wow. President.
You know, of course, there’s no chance at all, right? Like, maybe start for 2028? That’s at least time to ramp up?
If they live in a solid blue or red state then there's no harm in voting for whoever they want.
If you live in PA, MI, WI, MN, AZ, GA etc then you should vote for Biden
If you live in Oklahoma or California then it doesn't really matter which presidential candidate you vote for.
Citation? Really? Most of social media is backed up. Go ahead and see how much the SJW’s were caring about Palestine in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2023.
You do know they have been in conflict since 1948, right? You all act like this shit is new. And it shows in the fact that NONE of you gave a shit about it until now.
SJWs are not leftwing
Keep telling yourself that. Most people claiming to be “leftwing” aren’t leftwing anyway.
There is nothing left about 2014 tumblr and its consequences. That was not a socialist or working class zeitgeist. And very likely was largely astroturfed by ruling class propagandists
"Israel's been doing this for 76 years!" isn't the comeback you think it is. Nor is, "Oh, genocide is where you draw the line?"
So…. No response on where you were before Oct 7th? Okay, how about this.
What were you upset about in 2020? Or… 2016?
Because we know you couldn’t have been bothered to care in between those years.
I made my case. You all suspiciously only care during election years when Trump is posturing. And you suspiciously are only critical of his opponents.
I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. I was arrested at a Trump protest and shot by a wooden bullet at a George Floyd protest. I've volunteered in local political initiatives to make our local government more progressive and more accountable to voters.
You know nothing about me, so you just make up things that you think discredits me? What have you done other than punch left on Lemmy?
I doubt all of that. But you do you.
That's kind of how 'self rule' works. You're supposed to pay attention to politics.
People not voting is how we got in this mess in the first place.
Why do you think the GOP's final defense is always "both sides do it?"
TIL self rule is when you can't criticize the government
TIL telling people to get involved in politics and to go out and vote is exactly the same as telling them to not criticize the government.
People won't do those things unless they realize that Democratic neoliberal orthodoxy is also the enemy.
Criticizing Biden with the goal of awakening the people should be encouraged
So, in a few words, tell me how you intend to reshape the entire political landscape of the United States and usurp both major Parties.
I've had folks tell me since high school that the Revolution was just around the corner, and the masses would rise and rebuild.
What's so special about your plan?
Unions and democratic socialism. Aka, the Sanders methodology - and, aka, the way we got the New Deal
The alternative is either doing nothing and allowing conditions to continue to deteriorate, or supporting an armed revolution that will be instantly massacred by the most powerful military in human history. Neither are plausible options in the face of oligarchy
You're hilarious. They got the New Deal by electing FDR. Without politicians in the White House and Congress, none of it would have happened.
You speak against voting, and then mention an elected official [Sanders] and a government policy [the New Deal]
You seem to be unfamiliar with the mass labor movements and socialist movements that were present in the late 20s and 30s. FDR and his social democrats were the compromise candidates.
Actually I didn't. Because, as I've now said for the 3rd time in this thread, I've voted for dems in every election I've ever been eligible to vote in.
I don't who you sent those messages to, but it wasn't me.
If you can't keep your arguments straight, it's time to stop playing keyboard warrior. Go out and touch the grass.
It's actually a cromulent remark. You never told me you voted in every election. You're confused and need to get away from the keyboard.
Two other people have sent me private messages calling you out for trollign. Looks like you've spnet so much time here that you've become a celebrity!
Celebrate your notoriety by going outside an touching the grass.
Before I block you for harassment, I’d like to point out how the mod logs are full of your posts being removed for trolling and uncivil name calling.
You even used autism as an insult. That’s disgusting.
Also, trolling someone by repeatedly pretending that you can’t understand what they are saying to you doesn’t come off as cute as you think it does. Especially when everyone can see that they were very clear with what they said.
You distract from the topic to bait people. It shows in your comment history. And it shows in the mod log. This person has debated you in good faith. You are trolling them.
And it’s very obvious.
I do have access, as I have seen your removed comments. You even admitted to having accused someone of being autistic, (which was a removed comment) just as you are accusing me now of the same thing.
How would I know you did this? How could I have pointed this out- before you admitted to it… if I didn’t see this in the mod logs?
Not very clever man.
Could it be that I actually do have an alt account that has access to the logs because I am mod elsewhere? It’s not a crime to have multiple accounts on lemmy. Especially when one is a moderator.
This entire discussion is off the tracks because of you. That makes you the troll. They were arguing in good faith and you derailed the topic to hypocritically accuse them of trolling.
I’m simply pointing that out.
Also, people are now warning one another about you. I’m sure you’ll see this as a badge of honor- but it isn’t.
Try and do better.
Enjoy
And so you know, one doesn’t need to be a mod to see the mod logs. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about here. I only need to be a mod to see them from the lemmy app I use. ANYONE can see the mod logs.
Which means, ANYONE can see your blatant lies about your comment history.
And I already admitted I have alt accounts. One of them is a mod account for two different communities. That doesn’t make one a troll. But your accusations of trolling from alts comes off as next-level IMAX projection if you ask me. It That’s just my observation. Not an accusation at all.
Now, I’m done engaging with you on this.
I’m done engaging with you on this.
You and me both. Reddit literally browser finger printed my device and banned me in 2023 because I wouldn't stop raising the flag on Biden. Now here we are and I want to do the whole told you so shit but I know more is at stake here than any other election I've lived through.
Bull, to the fucking shit. Genocide isn’t just something you can fucking put off. Unless you don’t really care about the genocide. Seems you’re more upset at the optics. And let’s also mention that Biden is not any more angry at the genocide than you seem to be. All his moves are token and theater and even that was only bought with mass protests and plunging confidence numbers.
People are being genocided ‘TODAY’
I’m more upset that in roughly twenty weeks’ time there is a critical, no-shit, very real existential threat to the actual democratic system that underpins this entire country, which as it happens supports much of the rest of the world, and a bunch of opportunistic yahoos would happily ignore it to bitch about one of the most progressive presidents we’ve had in forty years about an entirely different country’s genocide whose policies by the by is supported by that same existential motherfucking threat he’s fighting! For goddamned fuck’s SAKE what the hell is wrong with you.
The ‘biden genicide’ crowd is absolutely performing the russian trolls’ jobs admirably. And seem to be proud of it.
Everyone agrees with this
Which is why Biden should immediately pivot on this issue and save the United States from fascism
It really fucking isn't. At all. He recently went full genocide denier on Bibi's behalf.