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The main problem is that people who feel trapped don't have the financial stability to go without income for any period of time, which greatly limits the ability to find a new job.
Not to mention healthcare.
Why would finding a new job cause a lapse in income?
A lot of places will walk you out the moment you turn in notice.
If you planned a two week notice and the other job won't be ready for you until then...you're kind of SOL.
That's why it's important to pay close attention to how your job treats others who have left, and plan accordingly.
But beyond that, you've also got payroll conflicts. If you get paid every other week at your current job, and your new job is off cycle or does bimonthly, or pays on set days, that can result in some short term gaps in income. If those happen to hit when bills are due and you are paycheck to paycheck, you'll either have to get a loan or hope there's an adequate grace period.
If you quit because of bad conditions, like unsafe conditions.
If you get a new job and put in two weeks, your first job might immediately fire you. Teo weeks without pay is a crisis for a lot of people.
If you need to spend time applying and interviewing you might not be able to work your crappy job during that time.
These are US issues for low income earners who are afraid of getting a new job.
Because you never know what's going to happen at the new job. You might be given circumstances you cannot adhere to or deal with people you simply can't put up with.
Starting a new job is always a gamble and can fail easily
Yeah. That’s what I was thinking. If I don’t like my job, I work while I find one that I would or could like. And I do this until I find the one I wish to stay with.
There is not a lot of logic here. It’s a carryover from the reddit sub. Unflinching rigidity and cringy as hell.
This is such a narrow world view that it becomes really hilarious when you try to say other people aren't using logic.
What if someone got fired just because of a horrible boss? What if someone quit because of shitty working conditions? What if someone had to go on medical leave for an extended period of time? What if someones house burned down and they have to move away from their job? What if a work place becomes hostile? What if the business just closes?
This could be a literally endless list.
I've done (or had done to me) the first two and last two multiple times and his advice still holds. Not sure what you're aiming at.
How do you have a job lined up in those situations?
You're just lying.
I'm not lying. It's how I went from making 36k to just over 100k in 6 years.
A job you had unexpectedly closed and you already had a job lined up?
You're lying.
In 2018 was laid off at one job and hired at the next the same day
Both jobs were leadership roles making over median US income
My most recent layoff, this year, I had a new job about 3 weeks before severence ran out.
Neither of those were times where you had a job lined up before you left a company.
And do you honestly think those situations are normal? You can't honestly believe that, right?
I had literally interviewed twice before I was laid off.
I believe if you consistently aim for a slightly higher position at other businesses, and aggressively grow your skillet, you can absolutely climb up salary levels.
Okay? (I don't believe you.) And do you think it's possible for every person to do that. You keep not answering the most important question.
I not only answered this question in the original comment you replied to, I gave specific examples of people at vastly different education and income levels doing it.
Yes, anyone can change jobs every 2-5 years and make vastly more money over time. It's literally the best way to raise your salary.
This is pretty well-understood and documented.
https://empireresume.com/switching-companies-to-increase-your-salary/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ethansteinberg/2022/07/28/want-a-pay-raise-switching-jobs-matters-much-more-amid-soaring-inflation-report-finds/?sh=5528a85d2b54
https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-salary-increase-when-changing-jobs/#:~:text=Generally%20speaking%2C%20a%20good%20and,5.8%25%20when%20you%20change%20positions.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/11/millennial-recruiter-how-to-use-job-hopping-to-make-more-money.html
I didn't ask if anyone can. I asked if everyone can.
"Everyone* doesn't want to. Many people work their way up to a certain point and are happy where they are. Some people don't want any responsibility. Some people have limitless ambition.
I'm a "big picture" guy so I worked myself into positions where I decide large-scale direction. I'd have no interest in being like, a C-suite tho, because it is too removed from the impact of what I do. VP is basically my career goal.
Lmao. So then why are you even in this conversation.
Just say from the beginning you don't think some people should be able to live.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Who am I saying shouldn't be able to live?
The people who are unable to do it. Are you even paying attention to the post you are on? Have you read the comments you're responding to?
Why is it your belief that those people will die?
Some people don't have the drive to climb that high. My wife is one of those people. She still makes a comfortable living.
Look back at the post your commenting on.
People (like you) believe people cannot do things that they definitely can do
Look back at the post you are commenting on. Jesus Christ.
You have lost the plot, big chief
Lmfao. I know I haven't because I can see the "plot" in the OP at the top of this comment thread.
So what does the OP say? What is in the image up above? If I'VE lost the plot - you'll happily answer that right?