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This is the opposite of religious freedom since it imposes one religion unto everyone else.
Yes that's what I was implying.
It imposes nothing, it's just a national motto that is currently used as a trigger against the left.
"E pluribus unum", that's the national motto. "In god we trust" is only on the money because of evangelicals doing this exact same kind of thing in the 50's.
No, "In God We Trust" is a national motto since the 50's. It was also used as a (political) motto since the Civil War.
Edit: Downvotes despite being a fact as verifiable through Wikipedia, etc.
Actual US motto is 'Fuck you, got mine'.
Oh shit, I had to scroll this far to find the truest statement. I love this. You are clearly correct.
Yes it's "officially" the national motto, but “E pluribus unum” has been the de facto motto since 1776. Like I said, “In god we trust” is only on the money because of evangelicals doing this exact same kind of thing in the 50’s.
Please post a link. I shouldn't have to find your supporting evidence myself.
How do you think a Hindu feels about that motto? In the so-called land of the free?
A Hindu shouldn't feel bad because the motto was established back when most of the people in US were christians. You know, motto's, flags, and things alike tend to become outdated but are part of a tradition and as such still used.
Are you aware the motto wasn't established until 1956? It's not like it has some deep rooted history. Fundamentalists took over the government and put it into place relatively recently.
I know, but it's been, what, almost 70 years... Why change it now? I don't think anyone from a non-christian religion is offended by it, right? Although, true, reverting to a previous motto would please everyone I suppose...
I mean...what's 70 years of precedence...it's not like Roe v. Wade or anything?
So, you're saying the motto shouldn't be changed? :) As for RvW, as unbelivably as it might seem, I didn't follow that one so I can't take a position because I am not informed enough.
Yes, I had some personal issues and laid off politics for a while. Shame that disables me from participating in any other topic.
It really, truly does. Sorry.
I'm certainly offended on behalf of all non-religious parents. I don't even have kids.
Most people in the U.S. are still Christians. What difference does that make? Congress is not supposed to establish religion. It's right there in the first amendment. If you declare a single god, you are establishing a religion and excluding citizens that don't believe- Hindus, Buddhists and atheists to name three.
Would you be okay with the motto of it was "Trust in Jesus?"
As far as I know, Supreme Court ruled that it does not establish religion. I'd say the same if most of the country was Hindu and it referenced their deity. It's a fucking motto and most motto's are outdated and show some cultural reference to the people long gone.
Yes, I know what they ruled. Do you think every Supreme Court ruling is correct? Dred Scott v. Sandford was the proper decision?
I mean, you said that most of the country is still christian? So, in a democratic society which is mostly christian there is a motto that references times when even more of the country was christian and the soul of the country was mostly christian?
Yeah, a huge problem.
Again- First Amendment. No establishment of religion. How is this so hard for you?
But it does not establish a any religion as a country's official religion. It's a remnant of past times.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about establishing religion as the country's official religion.
There's a reason teachers aren't allowed to lead school prayers from any religion and it has nothing to do with what the official religion of the nation is or is not.
Alright. Then why is it the national motto? What does the phrase mean? Why God? Why one god?
It meant something and it still partially does for a big part of the country. Also, it's part of tradition and a phrase that US is recognizable across the globe. Nothing wrong with it unless you hate faith/catholicism. Currently, it's being used to provoke the left and people shouldn't fall for that provocation. Other countries and regions also have some historical motto's that partially or fully lost their meaning through time, but are part of a tradition and recognizability.
If you argue it's tradition, it's a relatively recent one what was created during the cold war and the last time we had a red scare. The same time they added "one nation, under god" to the pledge of allegiance.
If you want to talk about using the traditional national motto. It was "e pluribus unum" and was established during the birth of the nation.
It's bullshit, and why people don't like it, is that like much of what the GOP is doing is a slow burn. They are actively working to push their flawed Christian beliefs through at every stage. And even worse, they keep doing it in schools to influence children.
You actually changed my postion on this. "If you want to talk about using the traditional national motto. It was “e pluribus unum” and was established during the birth of the nation." - I agree and it seems reasonable.
Although, I still don't see a problem with "In God We Trust" (because of the reasons I wrote before) as it's a part of the tradition now and something that almost everyone associates with the US.
As for the influence in schools - both sides are doing that. Sadly, all that political bullshit breaks over children's back.
"Both sides!"
It was adopted as motto in the 50s. It's not some historical relic we need to be stuck with. Hell, both Trump and Biden are older than the motto. Just change it back to E Pluribus Unum.
Don't think so. It tells everyone not believing in God that they don't belong to "we".
Well I guess I, and the other people not part of the Christian "we" should just make own "we". With blackjack. And hookers.
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