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WTF Joe
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this post was submitted on 04 Jun 2024
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It's from CNN. Is CNN Russian now?
Okay, so this is an example of why I think you're some sort of fake leftist. You've said this exact thing to me earlier and I didn't really dwell on it all that much -- but it is very bizarre for a supposedly far-left person to hold up CNN as a trusted source. Almost everyone on the left in the US regards CNN as corporate garbage.
The time before, you actually were arguing with me when I was criticizing a CNN article I think, something like you don't know how much more liberal it can get than CNN and you don't see why I would question it, which I interpreted as one of those accidental big slip-ups where the mask comes off a little bit. Maybe I am wrong in that, of course. Surely there are people on the left who for whatever reason trust CNN. But I think the ones of them that are also rabidly anti-establishment-Democrat are probably a lot more rare than you realize. It struck me as much more a statement that would come from someone outside the left, who was accidentally using their own viewpoint on CNN (that it's "liberal") and not the fake leftist view they were supposed to be using.
But yes, CNN criticizing Biden on immigration means more or less nothing. I actually talked a little more at length -- I think with you -- about the ACLU's criticism of him, which although I would take a lot more seriously I also don't agree with, and I explained some of the reasons why. But, predictably, you ignored it and just went back to repeating over and over again that Biden is bad on immigration.
Man, I really do commend the effort you put into this. I'm so far into cynicism land that I don't think I can find my way back.
I just can't help feel like you're wasting your breath trying to reason with ozma (as is evidenced by his hilarious reply to the same comment I'm replying to)
Well I mean what else is he supposed to say 😃. Honestly he played it off pretty well; I think trying to argue the point definitely wouldn't have been a smart thing to try to do.
(The one from this thread was just a little off kilter, honestly. The thing from before where he was surprised that I, a left person, would ever have anything bad to say about CNN, since after all it is liberal -- that was super weird. I was just reminded of it when he did a lesser version of it here.)
I think far left, not left. But even if this were true, it is far from being called "Russian troll". What do you think in the article that makes it or him "Russian troll", or even "corporate garbage"?
Yeah, but ozma specifically claims to be far left -- like so much so that he can't stand any establishment Democrat, as far as I can tell, even Joe Biden who's significantly more left than the normal (fairly depressing) Democratic standard. That's the only thing that makes it incongruous. Along with getting confused that anyone else from the far-left (as he claims to be) would ever criticize CNN, because after all, it's liberal.
I don't actually agree with calling ozma a Russian or corporate troll. It is extremely clear to me and most other people here that he's some sort of bad-faith mass poster of disinformation. But yeah, for myself I don't tend to throw out accusations of particular nationalities or anything like that, because the truth is that none of us have any idea. Sometimes there will be some poster who has a weird and entertaining confluence of ideas that don't really belong together that involve some particular nation, and so it's not hard to figure out, but ozma's not that. He's all "no Biden" all the time, with a 40% mixture of random other generic-leftist topics to attempt a fig-leaf of being just a normal poster.
Honestly he just irritated me by starting it up as far as immigration. I'm honestly a little surprised that he's still doing this, since as far as I can tell the result most of the time is just to tee up people to be able to downvote him and talk good things about Joe Biden in a way that would be weird if they just came from nowhere and said "IT'S NOT HIS FAULT IMMIGRATION IS SUCH A MESS RIGHT NOW." But IDK; maybe the posting of the constant memes and repetition and purely putting it out there is doing some good things for his objectives. Kind of like pushing junk climate science so there will be a "debate" in the public perception instead of "yes of course it's fucking real why is this even a question."
I can't think of a news source that isn't corporate garbage, other than DN and a few other indies. Our news has arguably been corporate garbage since Hearst and the Spanish-American War (you can look up his infamous quote, how Pulitzer competed with his publications, etc. For decades, I was a loyal Dem voter, even suppporting Billary; I was disgusted enough after his second term to start looking hard at Kucinich, and that election cycle, the media mentioned him once or twice in a sentence or two; compare that to the platforms they gave Killary, W and other was criminals, or the recently convicted felon.
I've learned to be terse in political commentary, if Eve6n commenting at all because I'm sick of being called a Russian bot. I'm not even adverse to the Russian people, nor am I willing to deny genocide, but "Joe doesn't genocide, you Russian shill" in some form or other gets damned old. Even when he's playing in our faces, we get told begrudgingly by very few, "he genocides less than the other guy would!" Right, like he's so different on other policies.
We do need to demand better candidates from the DNC or better, vote for other parties candidates, but only Russian or CCP shills would dare think outside the box.
TBD idk if Oz is a hired or sock puppet account or not, but refusing to question ourselves and our parties and individual candidates doesn't make us different, from the other side, it just rearranges deck chairs on the Titanic (nation, planet). It's late and I'm not really interested in arguing the same tired points. Just putting it out there in wild hope someone interested in hearing actually will consider it.
Yes, CNN is a liberal news source. I figured Dems love CNN (when it attacks Trump).
That wasn't true even back in 2010, when I still watched CNN.
Mask is slipping.
I'm not a Democrat. I'm far left and No Party Preference.
Oh, that much I believe.
Wow. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah, cool cool.
Anyway, what should Biden do to fix immigration?
Go away and insist the dnc nominate someone less slimy.
That's a great point! Biden did finally take something resembling urgent action on climate change, which is the first time a US president has ever done that. He tried for a lot more, but what he was actually able to get through the congress (which took quite a bit of doing) was putting the US on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030.
It's a super relevant part of his record, and increases by a significant amount the chance that we'll get to continue to exist on the earth in 100 years (although there's about 10 times more work that is needed and even than it's not certain). With as little time as we have left (basically, none), Trump would be an existential catastrophe to the entire human race, and would be even if his opponent wasn't actually accomplishing an unprecedented level of progress on the issue.
It's a good point, and I'm glad you brought it up.
This is why we're terse.
Blah blah NLRB
Hey! 15% minimum corporate tax
No, just tumbling towards the right from an already-centre-right position, which is probably why you're comfortable parroting it.