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[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago

Maduro has little to do with previous meddling from the United States. He's directly from Chávez who was the one who attempted a Coup on Carlos Andrés Pérez, likely what we could consider the last US friendly leader.

Chávez was the Venezuelan answer to US meddling and when he came to power. At some point we have to accept that the people and their elected government are at the wheel. Venezuela made a call to put way too many of their chips into the oil markets, no one forced them to bank so heavily on oil, they made that call themselves.

With next to nothing as a follow up, they're suffering from economic missteps. Additionally, any international help that's been extended, Venezuela has turned it down. Maybe for the best as they're worried that the international help is more foreign meddling. But again, that's Venezuela to make that choice.

What the US did is understandable to be angry about, but at some point it is less about meddling that the US did and poor economic choices and corrupt government rule that has brought about where they are today. I know a lot of people want to seriously blame the US and there's some rationale behind that. But where the Venezuelan economy sits today, that's squarely on the elected officials of Venezuela.

Now does that mean that the current situation there should make us turn everyone away? Absolutely not. At least in my opinion. I think that's where me and @dragontamer@lemmy.world will disagree. What's happening is horrible and we should not lose our humanity towards others just because it is slightly inconvenient. But that's on Congress in the United States to address as they're the ones that can approve new asylum programs.

Many countries have offered to help including the US. Venezuela doesn't want it. Again, maybe the paranoia we instilled is what causes that denial, maybe the US just makes a good effigy. But we have to accept the answer Venezuela gives about other people trying to help, that's how we demonstrate that our determination to actually stop meddling with countries south of the border. Because given the current situation there, it wouldn't be incredibly difficult for the US to setup partisans and begin an effort to overthrow the government, if they so wanted to.

As horrible the situation is, as much as we shouldn't close our border, this mess is very much Venezuela's making.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 months ago
[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Or maybe, to understand Venezuela, you should look up the history of Venezuela.

That's all I'm trying to say. Venezuela is the #1 determining factor of what happens in Venezuela. This is absolutely outside of the USA's control, no matter how much random nationalists from South America complain.

If we really wanted to mess with a country with collapsing infrastructure, large-scale emigration, and a massive oil reserve like Venezuela... we probably could do so and also do so at a good profit. But honestly? We don't. Our attention and resources are diverted elsewhere (like... at the massive migration wave hitting our border). I'd probably support more interventions because its the only way the migrant waves will stop.

Fortunately, Mexico is on our side on this issue. USA + Mexico can work together to build a more controlled border at Mexico's southern border to better control migrants / filter them out. I'm not against accepting more migrants btw, but the shear number of them arriving is far beyond the resources we've allocated to the border and Congress isn't allowing us to allocate more judges. Mexico is also getting pissed at these migrant waves coming through their country.

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