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It's really hard to take either of them seriously because both have been known to lie through their teeth and blatantly violated the rules of war.
It's almost certain that the truth of what happened will never be known for certain, because basically none of the parties to this conflict have any credibility whatsoever.
Well we could have independent journalists but Israel won’t allow any in and shoots them often.
Correct, and that's very much part of the problem. We have very unreliable information about the state of the war. They stop journalists to prevent information from getting out, and they succeeded.
Historically the figures released by the Palestinian health system have been acknowledged as pretty accurate. From the Telegraph : "In previous rounds of fighting in the Strip, the total number of deaths reported by the Gazan authorities have been found to be broadly accurate, not differing significantly from estimates produced by the UN or IDF. There have, however, always been disputes over the civilian/combatant split."
I don't doubt the accuracy of those figures but when it comes to things like Israel accusing Hamas of using human shields or setting up bases inside schools and Hamas saying "nuh uh", without photo or video proof it's hard to say either way.
I see your point. I tend to believe the Palestinian figures simply because they have a history of being reasonably accurate with casualty numbers and the IDF has a history of lying or at least playing down casualties
I don't believe it is correct to call them "Palestinian" figures. There is no unified government in Palestine. There is a collection of multiple organisations exercising various amounts of authority over the Palestinian territories. The figures from the Gaza Health Ministry regarding civilian casualties are probably close to reality. But that doesn't mean anything else is accurate. I give credibility to the Gaza Health Ministry on the topic of civilian death counts and other related humanitarian figures only.
Whichever noun you use to describe them is fine by me.
Bro you know why Israel is certain they're doing it right? Because they took out from proto isrealis who stashed weapons and bases in or under holy sites, hospitals and schools.
Look into Operation Shark, the largest weapons bust being inside the great synagogue.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shark
With one, you have to be cautious against infrequent exaggeration. With the other, you have to work your way through their constant denial. Both are not on point in scale of truth, and both can be used to completely subvert it for some intended purposes, but I think one is closer to the truth more frequently and by a lot than the other.
You can definitely pick the exaggerating side to start with, then work your way to the truth as much as you can from there and you'd be closer to it than starting with the other one, having a lower rate of going astray.