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I don't know where this detail about Palestine comes from, no French source talks about it, not even CNews (who would love to report it, probably)
https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/hauts-de-seine-trois-adolescents-accuses-de-viol-et-d-injures-antisemites-interpelles-9268702
https://www.cnews.fr/faits-divers/2024-06-19/courbevoie-deux-mineurs-mis-en-examen-pour-le-viol-en-reunion-dune-jeune
Look at ops post and comment history. They post articles that only ever paint Palestine or hamas in a negative light, never any articles about settlers in the west bank or the killing of journalists by the IDF. Op has taken a side and is pushing an agenda.
Plenty of articles like those here.
And plenty of people denying there's any rise in hatred and violence towards Jews.
There are plenty of stupid and/or devious people who will see what's going on in some part of the world and believe a narrative or use that narrative as an excuse for their own ends.
If it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. The whole human race has a problem with human garbage who can't control their actions. Some of them end up running countries and turning a blind eye to war atrocities, if not asking for them outright.
This doesn't lessen what happened to this 12-year-old victim, and it doesn't lessen what's happening elsewhere in the world, nor the ramifications. My point is that the link, while there, is tenuous.
The perpetrators are human garbage who found a reason to stop pretending not to be, and now should be treated as such.
How is the link tenuous?
You could write the same thing about neo-nazi violence.
There's a clear issue here.
The reality is that this is a part of a global spike of cases against Jews since the 7th of October, who are targeted because they are Jews.
It could've been someone else. Another Jew. Like the other French Jewish woman who was raped because she's a Jew and was done as "revenge" in the eyes of the perpetrator.
There is a terrible trend of people blaming Jewish people overall for what Israel is doing -- and ironically, some of Israel's sharpest critics are Jewish.
Some people are incapable of realizing that Jewish people are not the same as Israel, and in doing so, they play right into Netanyahu's hand. Antisemitism is completely separate from criticism of Israel, but Netanyahu would love for people to believe it's one and the same.
People who want revenge against Jews in the West for what Israel's doing are no different than those who interned the Japanese in WW2 or demonized all Muslims after 9/11. It's collective punishment and it's wrong.
Yeap. Although this "trend" isn't very new.
Antisemites calling all Jews, Zionists, was done from even before the founding of the state of Israel. One example from before its founding, is of Muhammad Rashid Rida.
They used a current world event as an excuse for an atrocity that they might well have found a different excuse for otherwise.
They could have chosen any Jewish person and any "punishment" but they chose her, and that "punishment". That's because they wanted to mete out that "punishment" in particular. They're disgusting.
And yes, that's true of neo-Nazi violence too. The violent ones are usually nutters spoiling for a fight, or worse. The prejudices they hold are merely their excuse for it.
Well, so far just one it seems. With scarce sources, with the French police hardly a reliable one. Still a terrible crime, like all the other thousands of rapes each year, which surprisingly are not in the front page while they probably should. I wonder why...
Like a lot of other minorities, especially en France, which has presque an institutionalized racism. One would think that the antisemitism is receiving coverage for some other reasons beside it being "simply" an hate crime.
The "Plenty of articles like those here." was a reply to the first part of your post.
Yeah, it's receiving coverage because there has been a serious spike in hatred and violence specifically towards Jews since the 7th of October. Not just in France.
And the rape was specifically because she's a Jew. Like the other recent case of a French Jewish woman who was raped specifically because she's a Jew.
No child deserves to be raped… for any reason. I can’t believe people are even arguing
You haven't posted any articles about Israel's genocide either. Should I presume you tacitly approve of what Israel is doing?
Articles like this are important, because they illustrate an awful human behavior we need to condemn. Jewish people are completely separate from Israel, and antisemitism is completely separate from criticism of Israel. By conflating the two, you push Netanyahu's agenda. He'd love nothing more than to say Israel is the same as Jewish people and any act or criticism is antisemitic.
Should there have been no criticism or discussion of the US internment of Japanese during WW2? Should there have been no coverage of abuse and harassment against Muslims after 9/11? What about the spate of anti Asian violence during Covid?
Fuck that. Collective punishment is wrong. It's difficult to change the policies and actions of a different country, but it's easier to call out reactive domestic shitheads and policies and demand change there. Human history is full of collateral/collective punishment like this when a shitty group of people do something awful -- and it falls on good, intelligent people to recognize that it's evil of the shitty group and of the reactionaries, and to call out both.
Don't assume everyone here is an idiot. We're capable of recognizing this event as awful while simultaneously criticizing Israel. And we can condemn this act without becoming sympathetic to Israel.
You could counter that by posting more articles casting Hamas in a positive light.
A bit of a challenge
Well, so have you.
Hardly. My recent comments have all been about things other than gaza. My last comment was calling out a double standard and the one before that criticised both hamas and Israeli government. If you're going to chat shit then fucking look properly.
Chat shit.
It is a PR campaign to make it seem like there are two sides to the story.
The French source mentioned in the posted article - https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/enquete-sur-un-viol-a-caractere-antisemite-dune-jeune-fille-de-12-ans-a-courbevoie-trois-ados-interpelles-18-06-2024-LDCLJSU4NFFQZJXQTOFSJ5GWCI.php
"Un deuxième mineur aurait confié aux policiers avoir frappé la jeune fille au motif qu’elle aurait eu de mauvaises paroles à propos de la Palestine."