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Remember when fossil fuel company scientists discovered their industry was warming the earth at an alarming rate? They predicted the end of humanity as we know it if we didn't stop? And now people are seriously arguing the more proven science?
Honestly no, and not because it didn't happen, but because it happened in 1896 before even my great grandparents were born. 127 years and 5 generations later and people are still denying that it's happening at all and there's been very little meaningful progress to move away from fossil fuels in that time. Things won't start to get better until climate change kills enough people off that we can no longer sustain an industrial society.
Normal people aren't denying it at all. Conservatives are denying it. That's it. Conservatives. A blend of idiots and their leaders who are paid by the pollutors.
Conservatives should be shunned and excluded from polite society. They are proactively killing us and we just walk among them as if they are normal people. They are not.
And if anyone thinks that deaths will cause them to change their mind then you clearly didn't pay attention during the COVID era.
Things will never get better. When we can't sustain an industrial society then people will start murdering each other for the dwindling resources we have left. This is the best it's going to ever be in anyone alive's lifetime.
Well, maybe not for us, but the earth will eventually heal once we're gone.
No it will not. There is absolutely zero evidence of that, and if anything, the ocean warming levels point to the contrary. It can just as easily spiral into the opposite direction and create a greenhouse style system like you see on Venus. Even if we died today, biodiversity levels would take millions of years to get back to pre-industrial levels.
So you agree.
@MercuryUprising @BillyTheMountain
Somebody needs to watch this ... https://www.whattowatch.com/watching-guides/earth-documentary-release-date-episode-guide-interview-and-everything-we-know
It's a great show, I've seen it. The problem is the rate of ocean acidification is unprecedented at this speed in our geological history, and that our current level hasn't been hit in 300 million years, and we're still trucking. This could create an irreversible change.
The other thing to factor in is this will be it for intelligent life. We won't get another chance at a species progressing the way we did because much of the world's easily accessible oil has been used up.
@MercuryUprising
No previous life form based its expansion on oil like we did. And no previous life, in its unfathomable diversity, was even close to prior ones in shape, form or ability.
Why would you think that a future intelligent form would turn out like us and base its existence on fossil fuels?
Basic evolutionary and technological processes, I guess. Combustible fuels are the simplest step a species can take.
@MercuryUprising
Since every evolutionary era, when devastation then a rise of life occured, the new life forms were more advanced than the previous.
It's likely that whatever life develops after we're gone will find more ecologically-sound ways to progress than we did. And that's a good thing, cause we were for shit at it.
@MercuryUprising @Chainweasel
"No it will not. There is absolutely zero evidence of that ..."
Wrong. There is lots of evidence of that through the geological record.
The evidence in the geological record shows that this level of ocean acidification has never been hit this quickly before. This level of ocean acidificaion is the highest its been in 300 million years and there is nothing indicating it has any intention of going down.
@MercuryUprising
The oceans have healed before and are far more capable of that than you seem to think.
Will it take millions of years? Ofc it will. But it will happen, because as long as there is one single-celled organism that survives our self-immolation it will grow and produce and evolve.
Fuck off, shill.
Eunice Foote's experiments in 1856 and the documentation of acid rain in the 1850s were sufficient information to stop expansion of fossil fuels without a clear and precise picture of their effects.
Remember when climate change was identified for the past 60 years and people just ended up buying bigger houses, bigger cars, and consuming more?
This problem can't be solved on the individual level. Governments need to say enough. Not just to the fossil fuel companies but also some of the people on the center left. Nuclear power is currently the only viable option for electricity. For the life of me, I don't understand why it's so opposed. Modern reactors are so safe and produce so little waste it's a ready made solution.
It can't be solved on an individual level, but that's exactly where it has to start. Any movement begins with one person convincing another, who convinces another, and so on until it weaves its way through the zeitgeist. Nothing will ever be accomplished if we just say "nuh uh, it's the companies and the government's fault!" Once a critical mass is reached, the corporations and governments will have to bow to the people's will or face a revolution. It's the only way it works, and it's the only way it has ever worked.
Nuclear power is opposed because people are afraid of it. People are not logical and they're definitely not smart, so when they think of a nuclear reactor, they imagine an atomic bomb blowing up over and over while it powers a generator, like a more powerful combustion engine.