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[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

Why make election season much longer than needed?

Printing ballots can be done quite quickly.

And is 6 months of campaigning really better than 2 months?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ffffuuuuuuucccckkk no its not better. It's just that our system predated most parliaments, and as such the founding fathers made some stupid choices that made it utterly impossible to amend basic quailty of life changes for our democracy.

[-] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

What did the founding fathers decide that made it impossible to have short election seasons in the US?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The process to amend the constitution. It's all but impossible given modern politics, and that's largely been true for 50 years and counting.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

That has nothing to do with how long election season is.

Are you even American?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Our election cycle cant be curtailed or shifted because our constitution can't realistically be amended to match the saner policies in other countries. When our constitution is so antiqued that that "money is speech" becomes the law of the land, there is a core problem with the founding document itself.

How it that not related to our election cycle?

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

Because a constitutional convention is so wildly unlikely it's just distracting from any actually helpful suggestions.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm talking about our broken government system, not what's helpful. The fact that a constitutional convention is impossible is exactly the problem. Its why many parts of our democracy are broken, and will likely ultimately be the downfall of our nation.

Thr founders called the Constitution a living document, with Jefferson specifically talking about how it must change to as American changes. To do that, they put in a wildly difficult mechanism that is nearly impossible to actually invoke, and added lifetime arbiter roles that can opt to unwind any law not written in pen and ink on that same paper.

Those are critical fuckups if you intend to have a living document and a shapeable democracy.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

If you know it's not helpful why are you wasting time on it?

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Why talk about the structure of our government? Education, general interest, activism?

Why are you wasting time talking about wasting time if it's just wasting time?

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Why are you wasting time talking about wasting time if it's just wasting time?

I have seen that user repeatedly argue in bad faith. I assume they are doing something similar here. The wasting of time is the point. I think they're just a troll.

[-] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Just in the spirit of pedantry, its not really true to say that the US system predated most parliaments.

Like, maybe its technically true now due to the expansion of democratic and republic systems in the post-colonial era, but parliaments in Western Europe were plentiful and long-established in 1776.

The first American government was notable in that is was completely divorced from a hereditary Monarch, and I don't wanna downplay that, but a system in which a representitive body of land-owners is elected by an enfranchised class to decide policy and even pass legislation existed in, for example, Iceland since the 10th Century, Catalonia since the 12th, England since the 13th. It was arguably the standard during the enlightenment in Europe.

My two cents, the US system does seem to be remarkably inflexible. I guess it's complicated to unpack why exactly, but a combination of myth-making, bad-faith originalists, and the sheer size of the country probably all play a part in it

[-] hashferret@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It's better for the politicians wallets.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago

Well no, it's better for the politician's campaign's wallets. If people could spend campaign funds however they wanted then Donald Trump would have quite a few less pending felonies.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

First of all, there's TONS of ways to enrich yourself by running for office without technically breaking any of the very flimsy campaign finance laws. That's why people with literally no chance of winning keep running for public offices up to and including the presidency.

Second of all, the FEC, which is ALREADY as toothless as a nonagenarian who never brushed his teeth due to chronic deliberate underfunding and understaffing, has an EXTREME backlog of cases from having lacked a quorum for the better part of a year.

Third, even if the FEC was otherwise effective, this is TRUMP we're talking about here. He's getting away with TONS of campaign finance fraud and legal misuse of donations as is.

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