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[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

I've never bought this spin.

Certainly Russia had a hand in getting the leaks to Wikileaks, and certainly because they had an obvious vested interest in the US electing Putin's sycophant Trump.

But I've never seen or heard of any specific evidence that any of it was "disinformation" - just the repeated unsubstantiated claim that it was. It appears to be exactly what it looks like - a detailed record of the DNC's overtly fraudulent maneuvering to torpedo the Sanders campaign in order to ensure the nomination of Clinton, or more precisely, to torpedo the campaign of a sincere progressive who would likely threaten the ongoing flow of big donor soft money in order to ensure the nomination of a transparently corrupt neo-lib who could be counted upon to serve establishment interests and keep the soft money flowing. And notably, early on that was how the DNC treated it themselves, even going so far as to issue a public apology to the Sanders campaign "for the inexcusable remarks made over email" that did not reflect the DNC's "steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process."

So what it actually all boils down to was that the DNC really was acting in a manner contrary to the public good, driven by their own greed and corruption, and the fact that Russia had a hand in exposing that in order to serve their own interests doesn't alter that fact.

No matter how one slices it, the bulk of the blame for the whole thing rests squarely on the DNC. Yes - it served Russian interests to reveal the information, but had the DNC simply been operating in a legitimate, honest and neutral way, instead of self-servingly and dishonestly, there would've been nothing to reveal.

[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago

It's Russia's fault that the DNC was caught. Clearly Russia is to blame for the DNC's corruption.

[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

That's pretty much what it seems to amount to.

All of the focus has been astroturfed onto the fact that the leaks came from Russian sources, and away from the content of the leaks. The clear (though of course unstated) implication is that the wrong isn't the DNC's corruption, but Russia's self-serving exposure of that corruption.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

What DNC corruption exactly are you referring to?

The corruption of the electronic was done by Russia and the RNC accepting and not reporting foreign election interference. As per:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago
[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 months ago

The idea that Trump was Putin's sycophant flies in the face of the fact no US president ever authorized weapons to Ukraine until Trump did, and that is directly against the interests of Russia. Yes, Trump then played politics with those weapons for corrupt reasons, but the idea that Trump just did whatever was best for Putin is just simply untrue. Obama explicitly said that sending weapons to Ukraine would provoke Russia, but Trump had no issues with it.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

From the Guccifer 2.0 Wikipedia page:

Some of the documents "Guccifer 2.0" released to the media appear to be forgeries cobbled together from public information and previous hacks, which had been mixed with disinformation.[9][10][11]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

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