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This doesn't change what we need to do, folks. Get Biden back in and use those four years to stay together and fix this bullshit. That's the goal. I think we ARE angry enough to finally achieve something like it.
That's what they said last time. I'll hold my nose and vote for him but I don't expect anything to improve and I'm not going to stop bitching about it.
At this point, I'll settle for "hold things together without sliding into pure fascism". Staying in a crappy place you are is better than going somewhere worse.
But yes, you should be doing whatever you can to make things where you are better in the meantime.
Except we've been doing that since 2016, for lots of even 2012 after we felt let down by Obama.
But take a second and think. Are we closer to the threat of pure fascism now than in 2016?
It's just a question of how fast we slide, which long term is unsustainable. We need to at least stop the slide and we just have t been doing that.
I think the "staying in the crappy place" pushes more people to accept fascists because they sing a tune of redemption, while the status quo still chokes you. Unfortunately that's never the right answer, but people aren't logical.
It definitely pushes some people to fascists - that's how Hitler came to power, after all - but not necessarily all. Unfortunately, our very broken electoral system gives fascists a built-in advantage, as the GOP is severely overrepresented in the government.
Be mad as hell
It's Joever
...as opposed to Trump ranting about deciding whether or not to abort after the baby is born?
It's not the best explanation of the Roe v Wade view of things, but it's far from the worst and a damn sight better than anything any Republican is going to say on the topic.
What's wrong with that answer? It makes sense to me. There's a little verbal flub but otherwise it sounds alright.
Don't you see?!? It's the worst thing ever! Even worse than Trump constantly lying about easily verified facts and being unable to answer most of the questions!
Cool. Can you translate it into English for me? Because I didn't follow it.
Haha I saw it as meaning in the first trimester a woman can get an abortion with just telling her doctor and having complete privacy without anyone else getting involved. In the second trimester, a doctor may get involved if there's a medical emergency if they need to without the state being involved. I guess in the third trimester, and only then, is it up to each state if they want to get involved. There was some verbal weirdness in the way he said it, but I thought that was the general idea.
It doesn’t make any sense to me.
Well, apparently he doesn't know what a fucking trimester is.
It also may not "fix this bullshit" other than not having Trump, but that's still worth it a hundred fold.
Campaign at the state level to change our voting system so we can have more options in the voting booth?
Think bigger.
Organize rallies and protests. Campaign at every level. Set up grassroots funding even for Mayor positions. A grassroots site that walks people who have the capacity to do, though no idea where to start, could be big on its own. Literally take those four years and apply ALL of ourselves in the best ways we know how.
Is this a monumental undertaking? Fucking of course it is. Though none of us will be alone IF WE COME TOGETHER despite our differences in opinion.
Four years MIGHT be enough time to finally establish a viable third party, but it's gonna take work.
Four years is not nearly enough to establish a viable third party. The rightwing has been working towards the current situation for decades. It's nice the left is finally waking up but it's going to take decades of continuing work to unfuck us.
Agreed, but the "I only vote third party" people never think about elections unless it's the presidential election (gestures vaguely around), when it's far too late. This is work that needs to start at a local level to build the party slowly and methodically on a solid foundation and integrate it into the system through numbers and results. Americans just don't have the attention span.
Lmao. What? Federal elections get third parties ballot access. Inside third parties they use ballot access to run as many people as they can in local elections. The reality is, they sort of cut off their federal candidates and focus on local ones, because they can't afford to exceed in kind donation limits.
I've ran for state house as a third party candidate. Try it sometime instead of spouting ignorance.