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Odo is an identity-seeking pre-proto-fascist who redeems himself. (pre and proto both because he's not a fascist but he might have become one if the ~~Kardassians~~ Cardassians kept power)
Imho
Edit k->c
*Kardashians
Oh fuck it's with a c.
Haven't watched in a while and due to my native language sometimes it's easy to confuse this shit. But also am very much not sober so more excuses from that as well.
Perfectly excusable on either count. Please, feel no embarrassment. Plus, this is one of the funniest mistakes Iβve ever seen!
^ I see what you did there π π π
Disagree there. If there is one thing we know about Odo, it is that he has a very strong moral code and a strict sense of justice. Even when Terok Nor was under Cardassian Rule.
I would not disagree in the slightest that he has a very strict moral code. And that's exactly why I said what I said.
Because the strict code Odo lives by is one of following rules.
During the Cardassian occupation, he worked as the rules told him to, unbiased. But the thing is that immoral men can make bad rules.
Perhaps proto-fascist is a bit strong. Proto-authoritarian maybe. But either way, he clearly doesn't go that way, and like I said, redeems himself.
In Tribunal, he talked about how he started out that way, but after executing three innocent Bajorans for a terrorist attack, he learned the meaning of justice.
He was also only brought aboard Terok Nor in the first place because he was seen as a neutral third party.
Sort of my point, really.
β Desmond Tutu
Right, but what I am saying is that he figured out on his own while Cardassians were still occupying the station what justice meant and that it didn't mean just following the rules.
Yes, I agree.
My point being that while we see Odo successfully reclaim his critical faculties (ie not just ignore the things outside the rules which are morally dubious), I think it's easy to imagine a lot of timelines in which that did not happen.
IIRC, we even see one? (I need a rewatch.)
My point is that while I think there's nothing morally wrong with anything Odo did, I also acknowledge that in "reality", fascism and authoritarianism are ideologies which quite strongly tend towards comformitism. So in all likelihood, if put in the same situation as Odo, a lot of people might conform to the ideologies they might know are bad.
Ugh, I feel like I'm explaining my view rather poorly.