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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Local police shouldn't be the ones protecting the presenditial candidates, they should be protecting the crowd. Secret Service is there for the candidate.
Alright, so what did this cop do to protect the crowd? I do believe at least once person in the crowd died.
He investigated the report that there was a shooter on the roof?
"Yeah turns out that report was spot on! Anyway, where the donuts at?"
And if the report above is correct, he saw a person with a gun, tucked his tail between his legs and ran.
In this thread we have heard "no big deal, it's the Secret Service's job to protect Trump." We have also heard "it's local police's job to protect the crowd."
Perchance did you see the Secret Service's response to gun shots? A half dozen of them ran into the line of fire and surrounded the person they were charged to protect.
The cop saw a gun, knew there were hundreds of people in harm's way and scarpered. While the secret service put themselves in harms way to do their jobs.
"retreated down the ladder" is all the information we have to go on - presumably the cop was still climbing the ladder - really hard to draw your sidearm and incapacitate someone who has a rifle trained on you while simultaneously holding on to a ladder
I hate ladders! In fact they terrify me. While others in this world are graceful and coordinated, I most certainly am not, so every time I'm on a ladder my brain insists on telling me all the things that my awkwardness might cause to happen.
That said, this past Saturday I was on a ladder. While on that ladder I managed to a) hold a nail against the wall and b) hammer said nail into the wall. That took two hands. Drawing a weapon takes one.
Cool, I'm sure you also managed to hammer that nail in faster than the reaction time of the hypothetical assailant with a gun pointed at your head too, right?
Someone halfway up a ladder wouldn't have even have a clean draw in that scenario without needing to ascend 2-3 more rungs to get their torso over the lip of the roof
Why are you arguing with morons who don't know the first thing about guns in an online community where likely less than 1% own one, let alone know how to handle one safely?
You are literally arguing with people here who have the equivalent knowledge similar to toddlers in regards to firearms.
Likely bjorney@lemmy.ca doesn't know about firearms nor owns one and is simply armchair arguing about something they know nothing about.
I think local police are assigned to these events to augment SS in protecting whoever they are protecting.
Bingo. They are not there have a good time. The event paid for police presence for the permit to hold the event and likely required by many laws on crowd size and insurance policy.