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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 161 points 3 months ago

Cop: Pardon me sir....

Shooter: Points gun

Cop: Ah, I see you're a busy white man, Ill leave you to it.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 63 points 3 months ago

Are you willing to get shot for Trump?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago

Only if it means one of my bones deflects the bullet into him.

[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

The hero we needed but truly don't deserve

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 months ago

If you're a cop you should be willing to take a bullet for any citizen. If you're not, find a better job.

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[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

He probably assumed he knew the guy from a Patriot Front march and didn't realize who the intended target would be.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Brooklyn 99 lol

[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 3 months ago

to be fair if I was on a ladder and got to the top and there was a dude pointing a gun at me, I could be the most elite warrior there is and still know the best option is retreat.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 26 points 3 months ago

Yea, I'm not sure how this cop getting domed before the dude turned back around and fired at Trump would have helped the situation...

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I mean, the SS hearing that shot and pivoting that way may have saved Trumps life if the shooter were competent but that’s not the scenario that happened.

But what cop wants to be the guy domed so maybe the SS saves a fascist

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 17 points 3 months ago

I would say the cop startling the shooter and making him rush probably saved Trump's life

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I would agree that’s a fair assessment yea, if the shooter had been given time to setup and aim without interruption he probably could’ve hit trump 2/3 times instead of just launching shots in the general vicinity as quick as possible

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

In medieval times and before, people who went up first on the ladders during an assault either got a huge reward or the right to carry off whatever they found. Fighting up a ladder with no one friendly at the top is hugely dangerous.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 51 points 3 months ago

So, after this incident with Trump, does anybody really think the best solution to political violence is to allow more people at political rallies to carry guns? Sounds stupid, right? Because thats basically the response with every other shooting.

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[-] aniki@lemmy.zip 40 points 3 months ago

You apologists are fucking cowards. ACAB!

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[-] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 35 points 3 months ago

Considering the circumstances I'd argue he's one of the few cops to protect and serve. Really the secret service here who dropped the ball. Coulda let em have a second go.

[-] aviationeast@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Local police shouldn't be the ones protecting the presenditial candidates, they should be protecting the crowd. Secret Service is there for the candidate.

[-] rhacer@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Alright, so what did this cop do to protect the crowd? I do believe at least once person in the crowd died.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

He investigated the report that there was a shooter on the roof?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

"Yeah turns out that report was spot on! Anyway, where the donuts at?"

[-] rhacer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And if the report above is correct, he saw a person with a gun, tucked his tail between his legs and ran.

In this thread we have heard "no big deal, it's the Secret Service's job to protect Trump." We have also heard "it's local police's job to protect the crowd."

Perchance did you see the Secret Service's response to gun shots? A half dozen of them ran into the line of fire and surrounded the person they were charged to protect.

The cop saw a gun, knew there were hundreds of people in harm's way and scarpered. While the secret service put themselves in harms way to do their jobs.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago

"retreated down the ladder" is all the information we have to go on - presumably the cop was still climbing the ladder - really hard to draw your sidearm and incapacitate someone who has a rifle trained on you while simultaneously holding on to a ladder

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[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I think local police are assigned to these events to augment SS in protecting whoever they are protecting.

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[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder

"only pointing at a cop" is how you know it wasn't a leftist or anarchist.

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[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

This seems to be the right-wing's main angle of attack on this issue. Seeing how forcefully they're pushing this fact across social media I'm kind of resistant to going along with any narrative they are trying to build from it until more facts come out.

I saw the interview with the guy who said he saw the shooter and he came off as kind of a doofus, he more or less said the extent they went to alert anyone was just pointing. You've got to remember that this was a rally for some deeply stupid people, I'm sure it adds to the security difficulties to have to suss out what's just idiots being idiots and what is useful info.

I think the reality is more simple; people overestimate the abilities of the Secret Service. I am sure they're experts and highly trained, but they're still human, and the mythos around their abilities is likely overblown to an extent. History has shown that if someone is determined enough, they can get close to the president if they want.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Eh fuck it, let him roll them dice"

– this cop, probably

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

Officer was actually based. "I don't see nothing wrong here, carry on citizen"

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[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

Tbh, after reading the link, I don't blame anyone with a rifle pointed at them to climb back down, cop or no. The whole situation was handled so poorly tho and is 100% going to increase voilent tensions.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago

You can't help a situation if you're dead.

Tactical retreat and getting backup/informing the secret service sniper team was a better play, and safer.

I assume that the message simply took too long to make it through all the interdepartmental channels, and he was able to get shots off.

Realistically, WTF was the cop supposed to do? If he proceeded forward, he'd probably get shot. Without checking in to dispatch to report the presence of the shooter and that he was on scene in the company of a guy with a rifle, then dispatch would have been very slow to respond, if they responded at all.

Talk to the guy? He's clearly deadset on doing something. You don't climb on a roof with a rifle without a plan and the will to execute that plan. Talking to him is going to either agitate him or just get the officer shot.... The chances that the cop could have talked him down, even if the Leo had expert negotiation training, is slim at best.

The standard carry equipment for a police officer is pretty limited. It's not like he has grenades or something, and don't forget, at this point he's on a fucking ladder with a rifle pointed at his dome at point blank range. Calling for someone with the correct equipment and training to get onto the roof to handle the guy, with the correct equipment to do so, and/or, have a fully trained sharpshooter that's already positioned nearby take that shot, is a better way to handle the situation.

Look, I'm not going to defend the police about what happened at Uvalde, or any other school shooting, but in this scenario, given the options, falling back to call reinforcements was the right call.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Maybe this is poorly described and the shooter literally turned and shot as the cop ducked back down the ladder… but that cop should’ve been on radio or firing his sidearm into the dirt or SOMETHING immediately after going back down a step or two. But this reads like he just went back down and wandered off.

They could head off a lot of questions by saying he went down a step and radioed immediately so people think the cop at least tried lol

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 10 points 3 months ago

The cop had already lost, the shooter had the high ground!

Seriously though, he was on a ladder - all of your limbs are dedicated to keeping you on the ladder. You have to get off the ladder before you can do anything else, so you either go up the ladder probably getting shot multiple times before you can get to your gun or radio, or go down the ladder where you're not in the line of fire to call for backup, draw your gun, or whatever.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Not really, I’m on a ladder for hours a day frequently, like multiple times a month. You are only required 3 points of contact for OSHA compliance and pretty sure cops can ignore that. If you can’t grab the radio attached to your chest with one hand while on a ladder with three other contacts then you have no business being a cop lol

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago

I agree that you can get one hand free while on a ladder, but I'm still going to duck first if someone is pointing a gun at me

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