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Ex-Incels, how did you dig yourself out? (poptalk.scrubbles.tech)

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I'm an ex incel myself, but I've been seeing a few users here exhibiting the tell tale signs. "I'm not attractive enough", "I don't socialize correctly", "I'll never find a woman" - all extremely unhealthy attitudes.

Personally I burned through many friendships and ruined a lot of chances with women because I was in the incel community. The community warped my view of women so much that I made it even harder to meet women, I became my own worst enemy. I lost friends because all I could think of was how horrible it was that they had girlfriends.

I have a friend who helped me out of it. She was the one who started calling out my bad behavior for what it was, and I started on the long uphill path out of it. I'm now married and stable for well over a decade, but I still think back to those days, and it depresses me seeing other people causing this themselves and not being aware of it.

So, Lemmy, for those who have clawed out of it, what's your story?

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[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 143 points 3 months ago

I was never full-on incel, but I was definitely headed down that path. I was a late-20's fat guy with severe acne all over my upper body, and I'd obviously never had a girlfriend. I looked ahead in life and just saw it going further and further downhill. I tried dieting, working out, etc, but none of my attempts at making a change ever lasted.

One day I saw a facebook post that one of my old highschool classmates had gotten married. The guy looked a lot like me, and at first I was mad - I had that classic incel thought of "why is he successful and not me?" But after sitting in that dark place for awhile, I realized that the answer to that question is that I can be successful! I realized that I'd never tried to put myself out there because I always viewed myself as not being worthy - I needed to be fitter, more attractive, better at talking to people, etc - but did I really? I wanted to find out, so I made an online dating account, cleaned myself up, got a friend to take some nice pictures of me doing things I enjoyed, and put myself out there.

I made a goal for myself to never start a conversation with "Hey" or something similar - I went through every profile I found and picked something specific to talk about. It took a while, and I missed a lot of opportunities by being awkward, but eventually I got good enough at holding a conversation to secure a few dates, and in only a few months of that, I found the woman who is now my wife!

I'm still fat, but having someone to look good for was at least enough for me to shower more regularly, which cleared up a lot of my acne. I'm still pretty awkward, but so is my wife, and we both find it endearing. Life's not perfect - there are still issues - but I'm no longer looking ahead at my life and seeing only downhill trajectory; I have a sense of optimism I didn't have before, and it mostly came from me accepting myself. I'm not sure if other incels are the same as I was - not realizing that the one they actually hate is themselves - but I hope that if they are, they eventually come to the same realization that I did: that they are worthy.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 3 months ago

In my very limited experience, the one characteristic that seems pretty universal to incels is the inability to have casual, no pressure small talk with anyone, especially with those of the opposite gender (or whatever gender you like).

Small talk is a skill like anything else. It must be practiced and honed. The easiest way to do this is just by being interested in what the person is saying. You don't have to be funny or quippy. Just be curious about their life and you'll find that most of small talk is just being able to go back and forth about a topic.

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

It seems like incels, or at least Tate-holes, treat every conversation as a challenge with the reward being sex.

Just be friends with people. Who fucking cares if you end up in a romantic relationship, allow yourself to form close intimate friendships that aren't physical.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 12 points 3 months ago

Awesome! I scored 6 conversation points, I can redeem my punch card for sex now!

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Oh you didn't hear about the pricing update.... Sex costs 15 now, but you can redeem 6 for a hug if you ask nicely.

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

Perfect way to put it - this is how I’ve felt about Tate, etc, but couldn’t describe it. This is so spot on.

[+] Kimdracula@sh.itjust.works -8 points 3 months ago

What if you don't want to be friends with people though?

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Any sexual relationship will rely on a foundation of some amount of friendship. A human connection, if you will. There's a reason the terms are "fuckbuddy" and "friends with benefits" and not just "sex toy"

If you want a sex toy just go buy a sex toy from the shop

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

What about hookups though? I'd say there isn't much human connection there, and certainly not friendship.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago

Realistically, in order to hook up you need the social skills that come from forming and maintaining human connections in order to not immediately make your perspective partner run for the hills the moment you open your mouth. Sure one might be able to get lucky in spite of a lack of any social experience, but that's about as likely as winning it big in lottery

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

I thought you meant friendship with the sexual partner, not as a skill / attitude with anyone. Nevermind then

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

I mean, I kinda meant both. Because you have to be not-offputting to have a second hookup with someone, and by that point you're already pretty much in a relationship of sorts. But to not be offputting you need some amount of social skills to begin with, so really its both.

But really I worded it the way I did because I can't tell if the person I was responding to is trolling or not

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Yea, really not wanting friends would be unusual but I figure out if that's what you want, hookups are the only solution. If you have good looks enough and are not socially offputting.

Also, prostitutes. For this, you just need to not be socially offputting, and to have money.

Sorry I'm stuck overanalyzing solutions for a likely troll.

[-] Kimdracula@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago

My father and mother weren't friends.

[-] adhocfungus@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago

Mine weren't either. Unbearably miserable for everyone until they got divorced, then it was just regular miserable. Would not recommend.

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

A good relationship is founded on friendship in one way or another.

[-] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

Can't tell if trolling, quipping, or honestly asking...

I feel like some people who don't want friends are often people with low self esteem who have decided their hypothetical future friends will abandon them, or not like them, or whatever, and so they convince themselves that they "don't want that anyway" as a way of protecting themselves from future pain or embarrassment. In those cases, dating aside, the person should work on their self esteem.

If it's not that, one could try casual hookup apps. These rely on a certain amount of work, and there's no guarantee, especially if one lives in a less populated area, but it's possible.

And the third option for someone who doesn't want anything social and just wants sex, is sex work. This is exactly what it can be for! The only trouble is that in most places it's illegal, which pushes it underground, making it both difficult to find and potentially dangerous... but this is the niche it's meant to occupy.

But honestly... at least consider that it may be the first case, and see if you can search your feelings to figure out "why".

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