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If you hate this guy, stop doing things that invite more media coverage of him.
Sure, let's ignore them and let them do and say whatever they want. Yeah, great idea.
Let's ignore them so no one else can learn how stupid he and other people like him are. Yeah, great idea.
Let's just ignore anything we don't like and live in some bubble where we don't see things we don't like. Yeah, great idea.
Ignoring stupid people doesn't stop stupid people from doing and saying stupid shit. Pointing out stupid shit is important.
Yes, ignore them. Deplatforming works. Let them talk all they want, but don't publicize every fart they make. It limits their reach and in the end limits their ideas from being spread.
I can't believe this is not simply understood. That's how advertising works, too. Out of sight, out of mind.
That doesn't mean banning them from social media, just stop over reporting every thing they say.
Yes. That's how it works in a democracy.
We don't silence people through violence just because we disagree with them.
No kidding. My statement was made in the context of the article, where he's spewing BS and pointing it out that it is BS.
Here, I'll expand more f9r your benefit.
Without arguments or counterpoint, or pointing out how fing dumb the statements/actions/whatever are.
And at no time did anyone in this thread condone violence to silence them. Where did you get that from?
There's a difference between using violence to intimidate someone into silence, and vigorously opposing and rebutting them at every opportunity. Everyone has a right to life. Nobody has a right to disseminating their bullshit unchallenged. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of speech. Counterdemonstrations are free speech too, as is objecting to the free publicity that the media has cravenly given Farage.
How is all of that working out at the moment?
Better than ignoring it. Notice Farage's party didn't win any notable positions in the last election? Yeah, its because of media coverage and people discussing politics. Just because you want to ignore everything and feel useless doesn't mean everyone should.
That [Reform's poor seat count] isn't because of a politically-savvy voting public. It's because we've got a shit voting system.
Is it better than ignoring it? In case you hadn't noticed, everything Farage has wanted politically, he's ended up getting.
And now he's even an MP. Doesn't sound like this tactic is working against him too well.
How does ignoring him help? He's still going to run, he's still going to spew his bullshit. Without criticism, his party could have gained more seats/positions. With the media, more people are able to see how stupid he is. The ones that voted for reform were going to vote that way anyhow. It is worth it to discuss stuff to keep others from being swayed their way.
Ignoring stuff doesn't automatically make things go away. Ignoring stuff isn't going to change the minds of people who would consider voting for people like him.
If you still disagree with me, thats cool. I don't really care because at least you arent supporting him or his shit platform.
On "they wpuld have voted reform anyway": that's not necessarily true. There's a floating protest vote slice of "none of these fuckers" - a chunk of whom latched onto the LibDems back in 2010.
What happened in this election is that Reform split the racist vote that's been stoked up because of the continual messaging conflating asylum-seeking and human trafficking.
That's true of every politician, until it isn't true anymore.
Nah, tis funny.
I agree. I think it's bit of a feedback loop.
There should be much more media coverage of where his money comes from, and in whose interest he works.