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If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion that shielded people who raped kids. They shouldn't shield people who are killing kids and committing genocide. These are pretty easy judgements for me and even Bob sees it.
If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion
there FTFY
Do you not even notice the irony in your reply? At all?
You also shouldn’t claim to be a part of .
If I don't pay taxes, they kill me. Can you tell me the same about religion?
I mean yeah many religions have extreme sects that will enforce harsh consequences for not participating.
Ok so specifically if I choose not identify as a catholic, go to church, support or to give money to the Catholic church will anything happen to me inside the United States in 2024? And My follow up question does this mean I cannot or do not still believe in the same "God"?
Ah so you get to the important part: if you go to a sane Catholic Church in the United States, choose to identify as catholic or not, choose to donate or otherwise support the church or not, choose to believe in “the same God” or not, nothing will happen to you.
Similarly, said church won’t be responsible for the previously mentioned horrible things.
Also similarly, if you refuse to pay taxes in the U.S., the absolute worst that will happen to you is you spend some time in jail, but unless you are someone like Al Capone it won’t go that far. You certainly won’t be killed.
The overall point is, extrapolating the most extreme minority of an inhomogeneous group to make assumptions about every individual in the group is a strawman fallacy of an argument.
In jail my life would be to essential over. Like this conversation with you. You have to draw the line somewhere. If I could exist as I wished without giving my taxes to a government that uses them to drop bombs on kids i would make that choice. I also would vote for whoever promises to not do that. You know doing the bare minimum. Like not covering up for, expelling from my organization, and prosecuting pedophilles. But whatever makes you feel better about supporting kid fuckers.
Most people engage in religion in ways that doesn’t have anything to do with the horrible things the worst people who practice that religion do.
My local church flies a pride flag. If you want to support getting bad priests out of church, make sure that the church you attend, donate to, and volunteer for represents your values. You know, doing the bare minimum. But whatever makes you feel better about supporting the military industrial complex.
I don't dress up in special clothes and attend meetings where I praise and pass a collection plate for the military complex. I didn't join the military or volunteer to even serve them soup. If I could opt out of any and all support for them I would if there was a choice. But your so brainwashed you think you don't have a choice to not go to church lol. That's what it comes down to. You have a choice with your religion. You do not have choice in your "country". I understand in some countries you don't have a choice. But in the USA if you are choosing to support that type of religious organization your a coward and a coconspirator. This is your whole argument "My denomination of the KKK is a good one, we barely do any racism. " lol
You’re so brainwashed you think this is what 100% of religion looks like. I choose to go to my church and I know my church does not support and will not stand for priests committing crimes.
This argument is assuming religion is fundamentally organized about hurting children, which is, of course, ridiculous. This is a textbook strawman argument.
The fallacy doesn’t have to do with whether or not people have a choice in participating, it’s taking the absolute most extreme worst subset of a group and using that to represent the entire group, despite there being a huge variety and that subset really being only representative of a tiny fraction.
That’s why I’m equating it to the idea that all Americans are war mongers. It’s a closely related train of thought to racism and sexism as well.
It's cool man your church is one of the good ones, lol. Don't worry God is gonna forgive all those sins anyway just be you and Hitler and all those baby rapist priests chilling in heaven.
I think the point is that a person being a member of a religion which has some other members who have committed horrible acts whilst hiding behind their religion, shouldn't lead to others immediately presuming that said person agrees with those actions or at least covers up for those who did those actions.
In doing so you're playing right into the hands of the assholes - such as Zionists and Pedophile Catholic Priests - committing those actions whilst hiding behind their religion.
Now, when people do voice or demonstrate their agreement with those actions or cover up the above mentioned people committing horrible acts, then, absolutely, judge away, and quite independently of their religion even: for example you can find plenty of apologists for the Zionist Genocide and mass murder of children who aren't Jewish.
PS: Mind you, I share many other people's opinion of the tendency for evil in organized religion, but still, fair is fair and painting everybody with the same brush just because they belong to the same religion as some assholes isn't fair, what's fair is to judge those people by their words and their actions, and if those words and actions include covering up for and even supporting the assholes within their religion, THEN it's fair to consider such people as also assholes.
Sure bro however you wanna rational your support. Everyone is evil why try to change.
You literally are this meme 🤡
Hitler spoke German so that language should be banned.
Prove me wrong /s
Try better strawman, this one is full of holes
Such as?
When something doesn't make sense, then it's often easier for the speaker to rephrase than it is for everyone else to guess what the speaker really meant... assuming it makes logical sense at all!
So is arguing that because an organization has corruption and bad things happen in it that the whole thing is worth throwing away. If that was the case you would have to consider all governments, organizations, systems and businesses that are inherently faulty are worth the same dismantling.
It’s almost as if all things made by human hands are faulty and can’t be repaired or something.
Wow, what a fucking disingenuous argument. How disgusting do you have to be to wave away systemic child rape with "some corruption and bad things happen"?
How about you examine why you think that dismantling an organisation that shields these people is a controversial idea? I don't care if it's a government, company, charity, any fucking place that is found to systemically protect child rapists needs to go, period. If you're not comfortable with that idea, you should probably be asking yourself some questions.
No op but yep religions, governments, most companies and organizations.. and any other entity that only exist for the purpose of controlling, robbing and oppressing people should be dismantled.
And if you argue that they have been or can be repurposed to not do that and to help people you're just too naive, after thousands of years of existence the only things they do is exactly those.
Not all things, just organized religions. There's a fine difference between "an organization has corruption and bad things happen" and "an organization has no point to exist other than to protect corruption and bad things within itself". At least government gives me something when I pay taxes to it