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A kick right in the selbstbild (lemmy.world)
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[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Another thing to note is people keep saying that if ideology didn't gimp the war effort, the Nazis would've won. However, the ideology was the whole reason the war even happened in the first place.

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Exactly. It's Fascism 101 - you invade anyone smaller than you to get slaves/money/etc, you pick scapegoats to blame for any issues you have, and you steal everything not nailed down, and then you move on to the next place. Eventually you pick a fight you can't win, and then you lose.

Part of them losing that fight was two of my grandparents, and I'm kinda pissed we're dealing with them again. So I want to reinforce: If a country goes fascist, this shit is coming. Nazi Germany was never going to win anything with an ideology that flawed.

[-] gimsy@feddit.it 1 points 4 months ago

Except for Gengis Khan, he never lost

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

He wasn’t really fascist though:

Temüjin formally adopted the title "Genghis Khan", the meaning of which is uncertain, at an assembly in 1206. Carrying out reforms designed to ensure long-term stability, he transformed the Mongols' tribal structure into an integrated meritocracy dedicated to the service of the ruling family.

Later:

Genghis Khan remains a controversial figure. He was generous and intensely loyal to his followers, but ruthless towards his enemies. He welcomed advice from diverse sources in his quest for world domination, for which he believed the shamanic supreme deity Tengri had destined him. The Mongol army under Genghis killed millions of people, yet his conquests also facilitated unprecedented commercial and cultural exchange over a vast geographical area. He is remembered as a backwards, savage tyrant in Russia and the Arab world, while recent Western scholarship has begun to reassess its previous view of him as a barbarian warlord. He was posthumously deified in Mongolia; modern Mongolians recognise him as the founding father of their nation.

-Wikipedia

[-] gimsy@feddit.it 1 points 4 months ago

Replace ruling family with ruling class and this seems very fascist to me. Do as I say or else

There are civilizations that went extinguished because they rebelled once conquered, and again history is written by who wins, we will never know (luckily) what history would say if Hitler or Mussolini won (the Mussolini part is just a joke, he never really had any chance without the Nazis)

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