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Just booing?
He went to another country, raped a 12-yo, fled and after conviction, his government - the Netherlands, only decided to give him a year of prison.
There's an important detail that I'm not really seeing here. The UK gave him an 8 year sentence. The Netherlands negotiated to have him transferred to their jurisdiction, which happened after 1 year served, and then the Netherlands promptly let him go.
Not saying it's right, but for context:
From https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/30/netherlands-child-rapist-olympics-steven-van-de-velde
That, combined with him being on the Olympic team, sorta makes me concerned about Dutch people
I'm not sure what the law ought to be though. I personally think a 16 year old should be legally able to have sex with their 15 year old partner. Maybe in england the difference in age matters. But if not, and a 15 year old legally cannot consent, is this hypothetical 16 year old now a rapist? That doesn't sound right to me.
A 19 year old having sex with a 12 year old? That is clearly wrong and that's rightfully already illegal here. But it's not automatically rape because Dutch law does recognize consent from people under 16. I have no idea at what age people can give consent though. I'm not sure if there is a minimum. But if the 12 year old in this situation did not consent then it would obviously be rape, just to make that clear.
A question: what is the situation in other countries with high schoolers having sex? It must happen all the time that some 18 year old is dating a 15 year old and that they have sex. I think the overwhelming majority of Dutch people would not want that to be illegal, let alone considered rape.
surely giving a 12 year old alcohol beforehand is evidence of rape, right?
Just to be very clear I'm not defending him in the slightest, this whole thing is horrible and I agree he raped her.
I was just explaining the situation and the differences in law in England and the Netherlands.
While I agree that this crime should definitely fall within the definition and corresponding punishment of rape, I don't agree that no 15 year old can ever consent to sex.
Some countries have a "Romeo and Juliet" law that allows consent when the age gap is close. The UK does not have this, and someone under 16 cannot legally consent to sexual activity at all as far as I understand it.
In Germany you can have sex with 14, everything below that is illegal (however the courts can decide not to prosecute if the involved persons both consented, are both under the age of 14, and very close in mental development). Between 14 and 16 you can have sex with people your age ±2 years (14 with 16 or 16 with 18, but not 14 with 17). At 16 to 18 it's I believe ±3 years, so that with 17 you can have sex with persons up to 20 years old, even though you're a minor and they're adults. There are exceptions to this, most notably that if they have any power over you (teachers, bosses, etc), it will count as statutory rape as it's argued that the victim didn't have the possibility to refuse without fear of consequences.
He didn't rape a Dutch 12 year old. He flew to England and raped an English 12 year old. Eight years was getting off pretty easy to begin with.
What else should they be doing? Storming the court and dragging him to a lynching tree? I'm guessing the French wouldn't be especially accommodating to such vigilantism.
They could have not invited a convicted child rapist to represent their country at the Olympics.
"They" are not the booing crowd.
You are absolutely correct!
You'd need to use a guillotine.
Holding up signage, shouting rapist, turning their backs...there is a lot of room between booing and lynching.
Not putting him on a pedestal as a representative of your country would be a good start.
I think they were doing that by booing him.
There's SO many options between one year in prison and extra judicial killing. Like, in prison for 10 years, just off the top of my head.
I agree, but the booing crowd aren't the ones that can put him in prison for 10 years.
Stop putting words in their mouth, there are so many things to do other than booing that are non violent but you just immediately took the most extreme possible outcome and suggested that was what the person you are reply to meant.
This mod is notorious for this.
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Yes?
Really? You want vigilantism and lynching? Do you think that might possibly go wrong at some point?
I think it's a little different than typical vigilantism when he's convicted and demonstrably used his privilege to get out of it, much less when he's in the Olympics representing his nation (of child rapists, apparently, thus the government officials defending his right to get children drunk and rape them).
You are right that France isn't the place to do it though, the French pedophilic cabal that has infiltrated the government is their Supreme Court.
i think at the very least he deserves an ass whooping. not trying to get into vigilante wierdo justice here but it would be nice to see one less confirmed remorseless pedo in this world since the system has definitely failed in this case.
So..you are suggesting the lynching tree.
You might not be trying to get into vigilante justice but you did anyway