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That's cool and all, but who exactly is gonna watch it? Like it's a fine idea, but there's literately no point.
Over COVID, we started a bad/cult movie night that I streamed over Discord. Streaming via Twitch/Youtube would get copyright struck immediately. Streaming over Discord worked, but you have no real control over stream quality, and often the stream quality is based on the person with the worst connection. You also are locked to 30/60 FPS, which sometimes causes small frame weirdness when most movies are at 24.
An easy, self hosted solution is exactly what I wanted at the time. I played with setting up a streaming server but it ended up being too much of a headache at the time.
There's a ton of valid reasons to self host. Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean it's pointless.
Not to mention the bandwidth costs… yeesh
I don’t want to stream on Twitch, YouTube, or Kick. My audience is my group of close friends on discord. I’d rather not use the big platforms for multiple reasons. The main one being these platforms see everyone as numbers and have moved away from pretending to be customer focused and are all bottom line focused to a fault now.
So owncast. Quick webhook call to the discord servers announcing the stream started and people can watch me fail on League of Legends.
Side note, realize I said big platforms and discord is still in use. Moving friends off of discord is its own challenge. But I’ve been working on that.
Why.... not just stream on discord? You're already using it. This honestly seems like a lot of extra work for very little pay off.
Also, if you want to stream to multiple discord servers there is not an easy way to do that. I have multiple friend groups and they don’t really mix. This is easier and it lets me fully use OBS without weird webcam integration from OBS to Discord.
It's weird to me that people on Lemmy are asking "why not just use instead?"
What do you mean? People watch twitch, why would this be any different?
Organic growth is kinda hard without any market presence.
Because no one knows it exists lmao
Exactly. People stream all sorts of things. I've seen tabletop wargamers doing it in the local hobby store, podcasters who send out links, virtual family get-togethers, etc. It's awesome having non-corporate alternatives for people who want them. Not everything is meant to be widest audience possible.
And they find that because twitch is one of the biggest sites on the internet and has okay-good discoverability. And even then, it is generally weeks (if not months) of effort to get to the O(10) concurrents, let alone O(100) where it starts being profitable on time alone... let alone hosting.
Versus some random website on a meme domain that nobody will ever find.
Its the same with peertube and the like: The use case for individuals is near zero and it mostly exists as something to fuel sites like Nebula or floatplane that are trying to build their own services.
People stream for fun, not just for money. If you start streaming with the intention of it becoming a career, you are doing it wrong.
Encouraging the use of alternative sites is the only way alternative sites grow, dismissing them because 'X site is already bigger, so theres no point' is supporting the "monopoly" problem.
Did you know, we used to visits hundreds of sites on the internet, it's only the last 10-15 years that corporations have managed to consolodate it.
And you do know that there is a very big difference between hosting a text based site on tripod, an image heavy site, and a video site, right?
The reason The Old Internet died out is largely because of the middle. When you have zero revenue (because everyone runs an ad blocker) but people are shitting on you because your screenshots are only 640x480 instead of (oh dear god) 1080p? You start looking at aggregation sites that will pay that hosting fee for you. Hence, social media.
And then you have video. Even short clips could make your hosting bill explode. And sites like Rooster Teeth that pretty much existed solely on their ability to host a five minute video every week were basically constantly in a mess. This is why sites like Giant Bomb ended up starting with Mysterious Investors and ended up getting bought out.
Because you know what is also not good for "the 'monopoly' problem"? A site getting hugged to death the moment it is even mentioned on a low traffic subreddit/community. Which is what happens when people host their own video heavy sites. Which lead to adding advertisements and getting sponsored which leads to all the people saying they are an evil site and should burn in hell and here, let's re-upload all their content to youtube or liveleak or whatever.
Even if you feel that no true art can come from anything profitable and all that stupidity that ignores that time and materials have a cost: Hosting also has a cost. If someone's streams can't even support the money it costs them to stream it? That doesn't last long and can lead to a nice payment plan if your VOD goes viral while you are asleep.
This attitude is how we got here, just let people have fun on the internet, not everything has to grow to be a replacement of something else. If people self host some streams for a few months and had fun, it was worth it.
Shame on me. If I just believe hard enough that will solve all bandwidth, data, hosting, and discoverability issues.
This is not at all a trivial problem. If it were, then aggregator sites like dig/reddit would have never taken over from message boards and youtube/twitch would have never beaten a tripod site with a relplayer (HISS!!!) video.
Cool, you know how to win on the internet, go off and do that.
What I’ve seen on science creators on YouTube is that they’d still maintain a presence on yt but recruit people to watch extra/premium content on their other platform, one that allows them to keep more of the money they make.
Sometimes it’s a subscription service where the user doesn’t need to see ads and promos. Sometimes there’ll be content aware ads and it’s free, but the revenue goes straight to the creator.
It seems to be a viable business model.
You could say this exact same thing about any invention.
“But why would anyone want to speak into a wire? There’s literally no point.”
“Are you seriously going to wrap your food in plastic? There’s literally no point.”
“Who will want to type on a phone without any buttons? There’s literally no point.”
“Nobody is going to want to eat meat grown in a lab. There’s literally no point.”
Not everything needs to be built with a use in mind, and even if it has a small user base at first, needs change over time. For all we know this is visionary and ahead of its time, but we don’t know it yet.
I disagree. I stream my games to friends regularly. Currently using a more basic approach (nginx rtmp mod, playback with vlc) because it runs better on my vps as compared to owncast which is more feature complete, but there is an actual use case for a self-hosted streaming solution.
So honest question, cant you do the same exact thing with less than half the effort by just streaming to twitch it discord?
Same reason you use Lemmy over Reddit.
I use both. More memes more fun
Yes you can, and should if that's more your speed. I just prefer not to use corporate services if there's an alternative.
The rtmp server can be run with docker https://hub.docker.com/r/tiangolo/nginx-rtmp/
Exactly my thought. At least the bots keep me company on twitch when I stream.