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[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 310 points 4 months ago
[-] Lokisan@lemmy.zip 113 points 4 months ago

This is not over. We have to continue to fight. Not only against the far right but for the people, for social justice for everyone. I'm so proud of France today. I'm so relieved but this is not over, what's scares me now is that the country is deeply polarized. This was a wake up call for me. These last years of politics have made me apathetic. But what happened today gave me hope. I'm gonna do something, I don't known what yet but I will. I'll vote as I always did but I'll do more. I will fight.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago

Hoping the same for the United States.

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[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also, don’t get overly proud of this. The idiotic notion of “there are two extremes polarizing everyone,” where they put the left and the right on equal danger-footing, is all over this article. I mean, it’s a few quotes from a few people, but still. That kind of shit is poisonous. It not only likens what the left wants to what the fascists want, but it also shields the far right from the view that their opinions are as dangerous as they are. “We want everyone to be cared for and we think nationalism is wrong” is not the same as “nationalism.” Still a pretty scary article. I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’s great that the RN didn’t take the election, but they are still a huge portion of that govt. and that is very fuckin scary.

If these numbers hold, it will come down to Macron’s faction to decide who to align with. And counting on neoliberals in that scenario is…scary.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 154 points 4 months ago

I feel like "the right gets a big showing early on but ends up losing" is a regular feature of modern French elections. It seems like it's happened multiple times in my lifetime.

[-] jagermo@feddit.org 129 points 4 months ago

Still, they are way too cocky all over the world. But great work, France. Thank you

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I definitely wouldn't extrapolate anything about the rest of the world from this. I just remember "Le Pen is going to be the next president of France" being said more than once in my lifetime.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago

Conservatives just lost the UK in a big way. France on course to do the same (not to the same extent). Tons of money (and Russian manipulation) are pushing hard for far-right politics, but they keep losing. Remember, abortion has won every time it's on the ballot since Roe was overturned. I'm still cautiously optimistic about the US's chances

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

While I agree with you in general, it's the electoral college that's a uniquely American fuckery I worry about. France and the UK don't have to worry about the majority vote being the losers.

[-] Corngood@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago

There are so many levels of fuckery in the American system. It goes all the way up to just asking the supreme court (who you appointed) to please let you win.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

You are more optimistic than I am, but I hope you're right. At this point, my hope is that at least Democrats will retain the congressional power to do something about a Trump regime I am seeing as an increasing inevitability.

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[-] Jayjader@jlai.lu 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The background trend, unfortunately, is of the far right slowly but surely gaining votes. We pushed them back to third place today, but they still almost doubled the number of representatives they'll be sending to parliament (from 89 to the projected ~130 for today's elections).

  • In 2002, Jacques Chirac won against the far right with 82% (to the far right's 18%).
  • In 2017, Macron won against the far right with 66% (to the far right's 34%).
  • In 2022, Macron won against the far right with 58% (to the far right's 41%).

IMO it's largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

[-] weeahnn@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

IMO it's largely a consequence of the center-left and center-right (Hollande, Macron) completely abandoning the working class, and demonizing the left whilst cozying up to the far-right (mostly Macron, though Hollande definitely slid right over his term).

A tale as old as time.

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[-] CptEnder@lemmy.world 142 points 4 months ago

UK: done

France: done

US: please don't let us down.

When was the last time all 3 had general elections at the same time?

[-] GenericPseudonym@lemy.lol 65 points 4 months ago

I know we're not on people's radar like the three you mentioned, but South Africa also had general elections this year.

The long reigning party lost their majority for the first time since 1994, so the coalition talks were a big deal for a few weeks.

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[-] jadedwench@lemmy.world 56 points 4 months ago
[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 23 points 4 months ago

True i read about it some time ago. Mexico got(at least from what I heard) a very good president.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 34 points 4 months ago

It's looking like both USA and Canada are gonna fuck it up, though.

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 105 points 4 months ago

Alright! Now if France and Britain’s new left-of-center leadership can just… PLEASE not fuck it up… there may actually hope for the rest of the planet.

[-] oo1 55 points 4 months ago

Britain left of centre ? . . . these are blairites, "labour" in name only , they literally propped up the second homes buy to let market through the 2000s. and they'd gladly privatise every public service we have left if they can. I've already heard shit like "individualised healthcare" being mentioned in their "think tanks".

They're probably not worse than the tories, and they probably will fuck it up less, that's about all you can hope for them.

They aren't going to tackle anything fundamental like bank regulation, promoting domestic investment, industrial strategy or developing public services.

I hope France gets a lot better.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 101 points 4 months ago
[-] Bourff@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago

That might look like good news, but it's just delaying the problem. Far right has only gained votes for the last 20 years, and it's only through jolts like the first round of these elections that other candidates unify to not let them pass. Nothing is done to address the underlying problems that make people vote for these fuckers, so it's only a matter of time before they end up accessing power.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The far-right in Europe, with money from both Russia and American billionaires, has been ridding the wave of insatisfaction that's the side effect of the very problems created by Neoliberalism (which is now in its natural end stage were wealth is far more concentrated than ever since the early XX century and social mobility is pretty much non-existent, hence why most people feel poorer and hopeless) which itself was created with billionaire money pumped into Think Tanks and buying politicians mainly in America in the late 70s, early 80s.

As I see it, the best way for the Left to disarm the the Far-Right is to undo most of Neoliberalism - go back to higher levels of State support and State control of strategical assets, free Education, Progressive taxation with excessive wealth heavilly taxed, and so on - thus removing the very cause of the popular insatisfaction that the Far-Right feeds on using a litany of "blame everybody but the rich" excuses.

At least some of this actually seems to be what the NFP has announced it will do.

Now, Macron (and his party) being hard core neoliberals will fight this tooth and nail, as will the EU because most of the governments there are neoliberals and things like the ECB as as pure neoliberal as it gets, so for starters, they will most definitelly try to help the ultra-rich in France more evade tax even more than now.

The other problem is that part of the NFP is the old centrist "left" party (the Socialist Party, which has nothing at all to do with Socialism) who were part and parcel of the Neoliberalization of French politics (a typical corrupt as hell mainstream "centrist" European party of the last 2 decades) and eventually suffered massivelly at the polls for it. That said, the fear of being made even more irrelevant will probably put a break on their corrupt neoliberal tendencies.

The good news is that, if the French Left manages to overcome the forces in France that will be arrayed against any undoing of Neoliberalism, that country is big enough to pretty much ignore EU pressure.

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[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 99 points 4 months ago

Wasn't the right poised to take it all in a landslide only just... checks notes - yesterday?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 68 points 4 months ago

Yes they were, and both the NFP and the Macronists collaborated to drop their own candidates strategically to beat the NR. Had either one of them not done that, the NR would have won. Had both of them not done that the NR would have had a majority.

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[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago

Start listening to the working class and the far right won't even be a fart in the night

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 81 points 4 months ago

The centrists worked together with the left to beat the far right. Absolute mad-lads.

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago

Thank you, UK.

Thank you, France.

Hat trick, USA?

Putin getting nervous.

[-] ViperActual@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago

Crossing my fingers and will be contributing to this hat trick come November

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

I'll vote for a corpse over Trump, but if Biden doesn't step down I'd bet money we lose as much as it pains me to say it. No data supports a Biden reelection. And I've seen no promising path to altering the trends in the polls that are largely a result of an immutable, worsening vice: age.

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago

Eat shit fascists

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lol, from the AP.

Some big-name stores in Paris are protecting their windows in case of unrest as results come out, but that’s a pretty common precaution.

They party like it's 1799, guys.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 4 months ago

Today, in my heart I am French.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

thats a pleasant surprise and all but the nazis will be back.

electoralism wont fix this and we better be prepared for the next time they have any opportunity. another pink wave won't resolve our problems now for the same reasons it didnt before.

nazis need to be dealt with asap, or else, and the best way is for leftists to actually organize.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago

France’s national assembly has 577 seats, with 289 seats needed for an absolute majority.

Here is the first projected seat distribution, from Ipsos. It shows the left in the lead, in a major shift compared to opinion polls during the campaign.

Left-green New Popular Front: 172-192 seats

**Emmanuel Macron’s allies: **150-170 seats

**Far right National Rally and allies: **132-152 seats

Beat turn out projections and upended polling results.

Vive La France!

[-] JackDark@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

This is why it's so, so, so important for us to vote this November in the US! I'm proud of you, France!

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago

The French show us the correct path.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 43 points 4 months ago

I feel like the real lesson is being missed here:

Do not mess with Mbappé.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

are you guys finally dusting off the guillotines?

[-] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 4 months ago

Good job France!

Joe Biden, take note of how rigged the polks and press are and keep going.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's funny because that required that all parties left of the far right work together and remove candidates so the vote wouldn't get split in order for the results to be closer to what the population actually wanted, shows just how broken democracy is...

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[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago

A positive outcome few expected.

[-] whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I know there's still a long way to go but maybe the future won't be as completely horrofying as I thought. Fuck the facists and fuck the nazis, well done France!

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago
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