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French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12 for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing handsets.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230912-france-orders-apple-to-halt-iphone-12-sales-due-to-high-radiation-levels

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[-] 2nsfw2furious@lemmynsfw.com 40 points 1 year ago

Calling it radiation gives the layman an implication that it's dangerous i.e. ionizing radiation. This is electromagnetic radiation, just radio waves.

You don't need iodine, this isn't going to give you radiation sickness, but it is a little surprising.

[-] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/radiation/

Bananaphones will give you ionizing radiation

[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Just radio waves" is what a microwave oven uses to explode eggs, or a laser to cut through metal.

It's none of those in this case, and the amount of radiation is nowhere near, but still... radio waves are not all that innocuous.

Radiation, as in nuclear decay, is also a catch-all that includes ionizing radiation, alpha, and beta particles.

I blame the guy who invented radium cream for all the confusion.

[-] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 2 points 1 year ago

Radio waves can still be dangerous.

I highly doubt that it was radioactive at lethal levels, but they do have these limits for a reason. People might possibly have been harmed in some fringe cases.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 14 points 1 year ago

It's not about health risks, it's about interference. They will probably fix it with a firmware patch.

[-] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 3 points 1 year ago

I believe they did in fact merely ask Apple to do that

[-] sanzky@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

“radiation” levels are barely outside of regulation. and france has record of testing devices more strictly than the rest of countries. my guess is Apple will appeal, it will be retested and all will be good. the same has happened before (I think 7,8 and 11, but don’t quote me on it)

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago
[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago

To explain something, because this keeps going around, they're conflating ionizing EM radiation with electromagnetic radiation in general. Electromagnetic radiation of the kind emitted by cellphones is basically harmless. You'd have to be outputting a significant amount of energy for it to have any harm because the photons emitted don't have enough energy to actually damage physical matter. The dangerous kind (ionizing em radiation) is only UV and above. Radiowaves, microwaves, infrared and visible light are all pretty harmless unless you're outputting enough to literally cook food.

Here's an image showing where the different wavelengths are:

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

If there's a recall of all older iPhones, what would happen? Would they send everyone the latest? (Honestly they should if it's really that serious)

[-] goji@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Even if they did (they won’t), they can pry my mini out of my hot, irradiated hands.

I think the best we could hope for is a simple firmware update, assuming enough of the right people make noise about it. I’m sure Apple would much rather we all just bought new phones though, so they won’t do anything unless they have to.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 2 points 1 year ago

Would the mini be included since it's released with the next year's models?

[-] _thisdot@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

what do you mean? mini was released alongside all other iPhone 12s

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 1 year ago

I swear minis line releases were different times than the regular models for each generation, though it looks like 12 and 13 minis were the same time as the other models of their generation. So I'm going to chalk this up as I don't know what I'm talking about haha

[-] upstream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I believe you’re confusing it with the SE.

Also, there was a late color release for the 13 mini, IIRC.

[-] upstream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

France have nerfed old Apple products before.

My second gen iPod got volume nerfed back in the day because it was playing too loud for French regulations (with the earbuds that came with).

I’m probably one of the few that noticed because I was using a studio headset that required all that output power to play at a decent level.

[-] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as I know, the last proper phone recall was when Samsung's battery production line was regularly producing batteries with a bent piece of metal that could short things out and burn down your home while you were asleep, possibly killing you (luckily it was recalled before that happened to anyone).

In other words, far more dangerous than this.

Samsung spent $17 billion on the recall and was able to collect 96% of the devices within a few months (they continued collecting more after that). As far as I know, they literally had a list of every serial number that had ever come off the production line, and they did everything they could to find each and every one of those devices and get it back.

Some of the measures they used were pretty extreme, including sending staff to major airports around the world, asking everyone to show their phone before boarding, and confiscating the phone on the spot if it was one of the affected models.

A fire on a plane is obviously even worse than a fire in your house... if the fire happened over the ocean the pilot might be forced to crash land in the ocean so everyone can get out of the plane. If the fire happened over land... the pilot might struggle to find anywhere close enough to crash land safely. People could die from smoke inhalation/etc before they could ground the plane.

They also issued a mandatory software update, to all of the phones, which crippled charging on the phone. You could still charge the phone but not well. Supposedly this improved the safety somewhat. Less energy in the battery means it's less likely to kill someone.

Customers were compensated - but some people said not adequately.

[-] Harlan_Cloverseed@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

All versions of the 12?

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