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[-] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 96 points 3 months ago

Technically correct (tm)

Before you get your hopes up: Anyone can download it, but very few will be able to actually run it.

[-] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 23 points 3 months ago

What’s the resources requirements for the 405B model? I did some digging but couldn’t find any documentation during my cursory search.

[-] modeler@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Typically you need about 1GB graphics RAM for each billion parameters (i.e. one byte per parameter). This is a 405B parameter model. Ouch.

Edit: you can try quantizing it. This reduces the amount of memory required per parameter to 4 bits, 2 bits or even 1 bit. As you reduce the size, the performance of the model can suffer. So in the extreme case you might be able to run this in under 64GB of graphics RAM.

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 20 points 3 months ago

Typically you need about 1GB graphics RAM for each billion parameters (i.e. one byte per parameter). This is a 405B parameter model.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 3 months ago

Or you could run it via cpu and ram at a much slower rate.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah uh let me just put in my 512GB ram stick…

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 7 points 3 months ago

Samsung do make them.

Goodluck finding 512gb of VRAM.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

https://www.ebay.com/p/116332559 lga2011 motherboards quite cheap, insert 2 xeon 2696v4 44 threads each totalling at 88 threads and 8 ddr4 32gb sticks, it comes quite cheap actually, you can also install Nvidia p40 with 24gb each, you can max out this build for ai for under 2000$

[-] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 2 points 3 months ago

Finally! My dumb dumb 1TB ram server (4x E5-4640 + 32x32GB DDR3 ECC) can shine.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

At work we habe a small cluster totalling around 4TB of RAM

It has 4 cooling units, a m3 of PSUs and it must take something like 30 m2 of space

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

When the 8 bit quants hit, you could probably lease a 128GB system on runpod.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago

Can you run this in a distributed manner, like with kubernetes and lots of smaller machines?

[-] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 3 months ago

According to huggingface, you can run a 34B model using 22.4GBs of RAM max. That's a RTX 3090 Ti.

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[-] sunzu@kbin.run 12 points 3 months ago

405b ain't running local unless you got a proepr set up is enterpise grade lol

I think 70b is possible but I haven't find anyone confirming it yet

Also would like to know specs on whoever did it

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I've run quantized 70B models on CPU with 32 gigs but it is very slow

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago

I have a home server with 140 gigs of RAM, it was surprisingly cheap. It's an HP z6 with the 6146 gold xeon processor.

I found a seller who was selling it with a low spec silver and 16 gigs of RAM for like 250 bucks.

Found the processor upgrade for about $120 and spend another $150 on 128gb of second-hand ECC ddr4.

I think the total cost was something like $700 after throwing a couple of 8 TB hard drives in.

I've also placed a Nvidia 4070 in it, which I got doing some horse trading.

How close am I on the specs to being able to run the 70b version?

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What's the bus speed of the RAM? You might run it just fine but still bottlenecked there.

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago
[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

With 144Gb of total RAM, you should be able to run any CPU intensive software.

The LLMs use GPU vRAM though, so it doesn't matter how much system RAM you have, since GPU vRAM is what the xformers and tensor scripts prioritize and have been ultimately optimized to use over CPU and RAM.

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago

I gonna add some RAM with hope I can split original 70b between GPU and RAM. 8b is great what it is as is

Looks like it should be possible, not sure how much performance hit offloading to RAM will do. Fafo

[-] raldone01@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I regularly run llama3 70b unqantized on two P40s and CPU at like 7tokens/s. It's usable but not very fast.

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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

As a general rule of thumb, you need about 1 GB per 1B parameters, so you're looking at about 405 GB for the full size of the model.

Quantization can compress it down to 1/2 or 1/4 that, but "makes it stupider" as a result.

[-] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This would probably run on a a6000 right?

Edit: nope I think I'm off by an order of magnitude

[-] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

"an order of magnitude" still feels like an understatement LOL

My 35b models come out at like Morse code speed on my 7800XT, but at least it does work?

[-] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When the RTX 9090 Ti comes, anyone who can afford it will be able to run it.

[-] Contravariant@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That doesn't sound like much of a change from the situation right now.

[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

So does OSM data. Everyone can download the whole earth but to serve it and provide routing/path planning at scale takes a whole other skill and resources. It's a good thing that they are willing to open source their model in the first place.

[-] abcdqfr@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Wake me up when it works offline "The Llama 3.1 models are available for download through Meta's own website and on Hugging Face. They both require providing contact information and agreeing to a license and an acceptable use policy, which means that Meta can technically legally pull the rug out from under your use of Llama 3.1 or its outputs at any time."

[-] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

WAKE UP!

It works offline. When you use with ollama, you don't have to register or agree to anything.

Once you have downloaded it, it will keep on working, meta can't shut it down.

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[-] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's available through ollama already. i am running the 8b model on my little server with it's 3070 as of right now.

It's really impressive for a 8b model

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[-] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm running 3.1 8b as we speak via ollama totally offline and gave info to nobody.

https://ollama.com/library/llama3.1

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 3 months ago

I was able to set up small one via open webui.

It did ask to make an account but I didn't see any pinging home when I did it.

What am I missing here?

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Yo this is big. In both that it is momentous, and holy shit that’s a lot of parameters. How many GB is this model?? I’d be able to run it if I had an few extra $10k bills lying around to buy the required hardware.

[-] Ripper@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago
[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago
[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That's some thick model

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[-] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Kind of petty from Zuck not to roll it out in Europe due to the digital services act.. But also kind of weird since it's open source? What's stopping anyone from downloading the model and creating a web ui for Europe users?

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 3 months ago

Did anyone get 70b to run locally?

If so what, what hardware specs?

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago

Afaik you need about 40GB of vram for a 70b model.

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago

Can't you offload some of it to RAM?

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

Same requirements, but much slower.

[-] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 3 months ago

I guess time to buy some ram after spending decade at 16gb

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