I love star trek and wanted to like this for so much.
I followed it for a few seasons when everyone of my friends and forums were already criticizing it. But then it got to be too much and even I couldn't stand it anymore.
Such a pitty but this is not the trek I came to love. I hope they have success but I really can't stand the writing and am out off by some acting I won't name.
@Nadalofsoccer They wasted Jason Isaacs. I was fascinated by his character and if his arc as a Terran secretly manipulating the spore drive project to get back home had lasted seasons, maybe even to the point of redemption and wanting to stay…I would still be watching. They could even have still let Michael be a Mary Sue. Maybe even have her find out at some point.
I'm just happy Picard finally found it's groove.
Did it? Can I skip whatever the bad Seasons were and have it still make sense. Picard was always my favorite captain so I was super bummed when I heard the show was super jaded / gritty / bad.
Season 3 is mostly the TNG crew with some others from earlier Picard seasons. It stands alone well enough. The plot is maybe a 6.5/10, but the fan service and nostalgia is 10/10, and it is a perfect goodbye to the TNG crew.
The new producer took over for season 2. Season 3 is clearly what he imagined 30 years after All Good Things to be like, undoing Generations, and in season 2 he focused on changing the parts of Picard's character that were too major to stuff into season 3.
To me, there is no bad Star Trek.
I believe Season 1&2 had more good than bad, even with the obscene Klingons, but after that I strongly dislike it, and that's from someone who liked Enterprise the first time I saw it.
The one thing I wish they'd do is go back and refilm the Klingon scenes for future viewers.
For me, it became too much with the identity crisis that actor had, such a not so subtle metaphor it felt like force feeding, and I just couldn't buy the acting of too many of the cast (I loved some of them too) Even s03 was kind of ok, I liked having more trek. It's unfortunate that it became a meaning to sell other stuff. I was there to buy equality, moral highgroung, positive outlook of the future and profesionalism.
I thought we'd get a reverse Breaking Bad like arch for the main character to evolve into the future captain, instead they worked hard to make them not suitable so they could have the person who was captain just say at the end of the season, 'youre the true captain' with no justification or attempt to mak sense.
That would've been nice, and such a good idea... Now fix SNW, I liked lower decks but now feels weird
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That's a fun sequence. I'm really looking forward to Callum Keith Rennie and Eve Harlow joining this cast.
Has the writing gotten any better?
Yesn’t?
It kinda improved but it’s also Star Trek discovery still so your mileage will depend on how you feel about that.
Loved the show in season 1-2 but it has been such a camp-fest since s3 I stopped following …
Oh really? Then I’m going to guess you won’t like it since it has changed and kept changing.
but it’s also Star Trek discovery
This is important; there's a distinct feel to the narrative, cinematography, performances and dialogue that the other series def don't have and kinda maintains through all four (soon to be five) seasons.
Depends on what you disliked about it.
But imo season 3 is where the series grows it's beard.
I just realized I meant to say 4. 3 was kinda fun actually. But dang, this whole opener of 4 with the "butterfly-people" and soap opera style banter during and post fight was just too much. I really liked the protagonist in early seasons but now everything just seems so campy.
Edit:refered to my other comment in this thread
I thought season four was amazing. I personally love scifi with big alien weirdness and was very happy to see a Trek series do that, an avenue it doesn't usually go down. I am probably the only person who loved Disco's season one style of Klingons because they felt legit alien. It's one thing to do diplomacy with drunk space vikings, but the prospect of finding common ground with the totally unrelatable Klingons in Season one was scary and exciting.
My exact question. I saw season 1 when it aired but life happened and I never came back to watch the other seasons. Tbh i thought it was over at this point.
Anyone wanna give me the motivation to binge the next four seasons? Did the show mature?
It never quite finds its grove.
Season 1, 2 & 3 all had fantastic premises I would have loved 7 seasons of but were all unrelated and concluded within a season.
Season 4 actually demonstrates the missed opportunity, they deal with the fall out of season 3
For example if you think of the scene set in "A Vulkan Hello", you would have ended up with an Action focussed version of DS9.
You didn't need a spore drive, Jason Isaacs could have stayed the same and we could still have watched scientists struggle to become soliders with the war causing the type of fall out we see in Season 4.
Thank you for taking the time to give me a take from the other perspective! I’m glad you enjoyed it regardless (or at least it sounds like you did to some degree)
It is a shame each season is self contained tho
And then everyone watching it (which, unlike what you might think from reading this thread, is actually millions of people) would get super pissed when it got cancelled in the middle of a storyline.
@fades @z3n0x
You won't get the motivation from me. I went from "Dunno bout this shit, but let's see where it goes" in s01 to yelling at my screen in every other season. I won't be watching s05. Life's too short for mindless completionism.
Some people like it. Maybe you're one of those people. There's no accounting for taste, and only you can decide.
Ahh shit, I was afraid of that. I had heard a lot of mixed takes so it could really go either way.
I’m not a hate watcher but I am a completionist so I’ll still watch it eventually… just gonna put it way down on the list haha
Interesting snippet. A lot of action. It does look like Burnham has relaxed into her captaincy. And, continues the tradition of Starfleet captains putting themselves in harm's way. No sign of Book in this clip, but Burnham sure has picked up Book's, "come on!" expression when things are going sideways. I am perplexed by one thing -- who is Gallo and why are they in Owosekun's bridge position? Where is Owosekun? Argh. I just have to be patient and wait until season 5 is out.
I suspect scheduling is the reason that we’re seeing new officers on the bridge.
Oyin Oladego who plays Owosekun is the lead in a Nigerian-Canadian indie film. Here’s the Hollywood Reporter story. She’s previously also been managing around a couple of seasons as main cast on a Canadian tweens show called Endlings as well theatre work in Toronto.
Most of the Canadian actors in the Discovery bridge crew have other Canadian-based work. Ronnie Rowe Jr who had played Bryce (Communications) is a lead on the BET+/CBC historical drama ‘The Porter’ which is why he’s been replaced by Lt. Christopher.
Thanks for the info. I miss seeing regular characters in episodes, but I can't fault Ms. Oladejo and other actors for working on other projects. I'm hoping all the characters are there for the final episodes of the series. Including Tilly. Michelle Paradise previously said, "I can’t spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. I expect that we’ll have her in the world and all of those things. She’s not going anywhere," so that's encouraging.
The scene while nonsensical in terms of what we've established in Trek Science is at least visually cool and fun.
I'll check out the season when it airs, I just hope it is better than I expect.
@ValueSubtracted My head cannon is for four seasons Jason Isaacs is a secret Terran captain trying to manipulate the spore drive to send him home while he is slowly won over by the Federation. Like maybe we don’t even find out he’s Terran until the last season when he finally succeeds and realizes the empire is bullshit and sacrifices himself to send the crew home after the Discovery is destroyed. Then we also solve the “spore drive exists” problem too.
My nipples got stiff.
New (final ;_;) season can't come fast enough.
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