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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml to c/green@lemmy.ml

So it's almost July 4 so everyone in the US is gearing up for firework day. Plenty people have already had premature firings of fireworks in late June. Even in Canada we have our national day on July 1 and even though you're technically not even allowed to shoot fireworks in many major Canadian cities anymore, people still do and still do it days in advance. And it's not like celebrating with fireworks is a Anglo-North American thing either, pretty sure every country does it.

But here is why I don't think they should be used, and I will attempt to convince you as well.

I think the most obvious problem is noise pollution. Everyone, myself included, has been trying to comfort their dog whenever some asshole decides to unexpectedly shoot one off on June 27. It's generally doable to take your dog to a more remote area on the day of so they don't hear it, designated firework quiet zones in the city are a godsend for this, but do you expect us to go take our dogs away for a week before the actual day? It obviously affects cats and other pets too. As well as young humans, you might have a couple of those in your house as well. And mitigations by moving oneself away from the noise can't help the wildlife in the area, who are even more severely affected. The fast and erratic nature of firework sounds makes it very difficult to ignore. Wildlife can sometimes adapt to ambient human-caused noises like cars on a road, but basically no animal with hearing can tune out fireworks, not even humans. Sources are in the dropdown below, (pop the DOIs into SciHub to read them for free, I usually try to link free papers to begin with but it seems that everything on this subject is pay per view):

Sources. Trigger warning: Science

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Second and perhaps the biggest issue is pollution. Fireworks are explosives, and as such use a lot of highly reactive chemicals to get the energy needed to fly high up into the air and release a ton of light for all to see. Highly reactive chemicals, especially ones not commonly found in nature and therefore organisms have fewer or no defenses against them, are generally very harmful to both human and ecological health. The unexploded fuel along with bits of plastic and paper casings get thrown everywhere in the vicinity of the firing site, and if you do it at a park with a lot of natural greenspace and wildlife, that's even worse. These pollutants are extremely long-lasting in the environment and get washed into groundwater, rivers and lakes, and eventually the ocean, not really decomposing in any amount of time relevant to human life, just dispersing and becoming less concentrated. Not to mention the smoke and fumes become air pollution and can spike the particulate concentration in an urban area. Same with the metal salts that give fireworks their brilliant colours, they don't really burn up and just fall to the ground or float around in the air. Metallic pollution is also extremely harmful to the environment. Not going to go too far into the ecology or biochemistry behind this, but here are some scholarly sources if you're interested. Sources are in the dropdown:

Sources. Trigger warning: Science

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The other major ecological impact, and the one that's been memed to death, is the risk of wildfires. Climate change is making summers hotter in dryer in many places, including the US and Canada. And might I remind you that July is indeed the summer in this part of the world. Along with mismanagement of forests and refusal to use controlled burns to reduce the risk of a massive, out of control wildfire, the risk of a single stray spark falling back down burning down entire forest ranges is not out of the realm of possibilities, nor is it unheard of. We've all heard the news reports about gender reveal forest fires and most people seemed to take it as a joke and not as the ecological and humanitarian disaster that a massive unquenchable forest fire actually is. When every year we get thousands of pictures of forest fires rolling through towns and making them look like Dante's Inferno, maybe we should be more careful about what incendiary devices we use. Sources are again in the dropdown:

Sources. Trigger warning: Mainstream News

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Good news is that this is not an unfamiliar issue. Fireworks are already being restricted or banned all around the world. China invented fireworks and they have deep cultural legacies and symbolism, and is extremely important to many people during certain holidays (speaking as a Chinese person), and even they are getting more and more restrictive with it especially in urban areas. I too will miss the sight of fireworks lighting up the sky during lunar new year, but I genuinely believe the ecological impacts outweigh the benefits. Fireworks are pretty, but so is ivory. If its only job is to look pretty and is extremely harmful otherwise, that's no excuse to keep it around.

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[-] yngmnwntr@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Creek_Fire

The Eagle Creek Fire in Oregon and Washington was caused by a teenager with fireworks, during a burn ban.

[-] AnAnonymousApe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

As an animal lover, I fucking loathe fireworks. Fortunately, we've managed to condition 3 of our pets to largely ignore them, and the 4th is deaf. I can't help worrying about the wildlife they scare to death though.

[-] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago

My only experience with fireworks have been in major celebration events when they are regulated and safe. I have no idea why regular people can just buy them

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Can you create an exhaustive list of what "regular people" should be able to buy? Who are the special people who get to buy more stuff in this society you've concocted. Perhaps we could have some kind of official status that we give people that dictates what they are allowed to own? Maybe we could even tie voting, land owning, and political office holding to this status?

[-] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, maybe we should stop restricting who can buy nuclear weapons too! Everyone should be able to buy whatever they want, safety and ecological considerations be damned! /s

[-] westheimer@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Wait till you hear about the special people who can drive a car.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Those should be regulated on a federal level and ideally 95% of people wouldn't be able to drive on public roads. I suspect that isn't what the OP or any of the other reactionary's commenting in this thread really want though since that would affect themselves personally.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Certain things are simply dangerous and folks can't be trusted to not endanger themselves and others with them. Fireworks are explosives and projectiles that simply go largely unregulated despite having very real risks associated with them. It's extremely common around this time of year for folks especially outside of the big cities to have parties involving lots of alcohol and fireworks, and guess what? People get injured, stuff catches fire and sometimes people die

Part of what we as a society have decided is to form governments that among other things pass and enforce laws to guarantee that when you buy something it is safe and does exactly what it says, and contains exactly what it says it contains. We as a society have also largely decided certain things are too dangerous to be sold to absolutely anyone and will require further licensing or permitting to purchase, such as many medications and many unsafe chemicals. By regulating the ability to purchase it communicates that a level of care is needed.

I for one would much prefer to live in a society where things are regulated in this way so that I can assume most items I might purchase on a whim are relatively safe

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Personal Fireworks are already regulated. There is a maximum amount of powder that a specific firework can legally contain. In addition there are already licenses required for the "professional" shows and the types of explosives those use. So you already live in the society you so desire.

[-] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you!

When dogs dislike something it is wrong. Full stop.

Well, except for the mail carriers...

[-] PlebsicleMcGee@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Pitbulls + children makes an interesting moral conflict in that framework

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

I think the bigger problem in our society is entitled pet owners. The social cost of your dog shitting all over our public spaces multiple times a day and 365 days a year doesn't need to exist in a modern society.

[-] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I have a cat. It stays indoors at all times. It makes no sounds and doesn't bother anyone. Yet it still gets scared half to death every new year's due to fireworks.

[-] Schooner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Instead of spending money on a cat you could fund the education of a child.

Instead you're here whining about fireworks.

Pets are social burdens that should be outlawed.

Edit: All the people mad about this care more about their pets than starving children.

[-] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're super duper offended that we're discussing banning fireworks, because freedom obviously, yet in the exact same breath you say that pets should banned. Interesting.

[-] Schooner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm just throwing the example back at the commenter?

If you want to use state sponsored violence to curb one behaviour, why not another that can have an equally good effect?

Or are you saying that starving children is less of a concern than fireworks and definitely less important than cats?

I'm not that offended, tone doesn't carry well over text. It's just a tired excuse of my pets get scared so fireworks should be banned.

Your pets are not the centre of the world!

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

I know, I know, of course your cat is perfectly fine, but it's all those other pet owners who are causing the problem. However consider the massive ecological cost of the house cat to the bird and mammel population. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

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