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submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world
  • Ukraine downed a Russian Su-34 fighter jet over Kursk amid an ongoing territorial push.
  • The Su-34, worth around $36 million, is Russia's most efficient fighter bomber with advanced tech.
  • Ukraine has previously held long kill streaks with Russian Su-34s.
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[-] grue@lemmy.world 104 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure is nice of Ukraine to start shooting them down closer to the pilots' homes, rather than making them travel all the way back from Ukrainian territory.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Plus the jet parts don't end up on the "wrong hands"🤯. putin needs to know this! Such a simple trick!

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[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 103 points 3 months ago

There is no way for Russia to rebuild all this Soviet stock and the war aint even over. How are they planning on securing their borders after the war when every country in the west hates them and China will make a play for Siberia and Far East by 2100.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 61 points 3 months ago

You sure 2100?

If I was China I'd make a play for it by the end of the year, fuck Taiwan when you could snag all that free real-estate and precious metals Russia should have been mining instead of losing their ass in a war.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 months ago

Why would China need to invade Russia when they can just buy the resources? Russia would certainly like something to cover the huge trade imbalance.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 months ago

not only chinese can buy resources from russians, they can do so on wildly favourable terms. they can have all that oil and iron ore and whatever without the trouble of actually occupying siberia

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There were some talking heads some months ago saying that the Ukraine war would determine if China expands into Taiwan militarily or russia economically. No need for weapons in the second case.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 18 points 3 months ago

I still don't really see China attacking Taiwan as a particularly likely since it would involve tangling with the US, which may not come to anything but is an unknown factor.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago

China won't militarily invade Taiwan until they have their own semiconductor foundry that rivals TSMC

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Haha.

China is one of the most impatient countries around, driven by the whims of the general secretary. Just look at how badly they rushed into HK, all they had to do was follow the original dates and it would’ve been a smooth transfer, instead they rushed in and caused huge conflicts, in turn dropping the one country two systems bullshit narrative and souring Taiwan off any chance of reunification.

They’re currently pumping ultranationalism hard with their gen z/alpha, and are facing potential future economic issues, a war is a great outlet for angry young people. I could easily see them rushing into armed conflict with Taiwan without having their own foundries. Same as that spectacularly backfired “wolf warrior diplomacy”.

Its about face not economics. You can’t except rationality from human actors.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

China has done pretty well expanding economically and mostly staying out of warmongering. I really hope that continues, but switching to a more militaristic approach with their recent military expansion would be bad for us all …. Probably including them

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

So they'd become a kind of vassal state?

I could totally see that, especially if something happens to Putin.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What I saw was that North China is DRY. They need tons of water. And russia has lake Baikal nearby. These kinds of Nestlé-style tricks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUJwbL7SM8

Imagine all the anger russians feel towards the US for not being able to magically fix their country in the 90s but now turned towards their growing and grabby neighbour.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Wait, did Russians really believe the U.S. was supposed to fix it after the collapse of the USSR?

That's not how government works what the hell is wrong with people over there

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm exaggerating for the sake of argument, but I've seen tankies and russians on youtube make this argument unironically to justify why russia had the right to do whatever it wanted to recover its empire and that they had a right to revenge for the "decade of humiliation" and shock therapy.

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[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

For what it’s worth the west had a history of helping in these events, we did fuck all for them really when the Soviet Union broke apart.

It wasn’t our job, but it woulda gone a LONG fucking way to bettering relations.

I could see feeling bitter we didn’t help but to take it as far as blaming us for their woes is just classic “it’s their fault” mentality.

Look at Japan and Germany as examples of how it may have played out.

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Although funny enough that’s what we promised to do in Japan after WWII.

https://youtu.be/YzRWPGSaKDk

They did experience rapid economic growth, and did move to a democratic government, though as usual the right wing leadership took hold both here and there, and we just wanted Japan as a military base to counter those commie Russians, and they wanted to nullify the treaty preventing them from having a standing army

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

China is expanding into both economically. That's been the strategy for the last 50 years.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I think Russia's plan was to enslave the Ukrainian people and force them to rebuild the russian military.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

Ah, you mean Russia's perpetual solution until Ukraine won their independence.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago

They can't even make sufficient ball bearings to keep their railroad alive; they depended entirely on western imports lol

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 3 months ago

Solid propaganda but I am sure China can machine them some fucking ball bearings lol

There are shortages though.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

The bearings in trains are actually pretty complicated to build. They use slanted roller bearings, not just regular old ball bearings. 10 companies in the world make like 70% of all rail bearings, and 5 of those are in Japan. Plus, only a few countries produce the two steel alloys that you make these bearings out of.

China does produce around 20% of the bearings used in trains, but pretty much all of it gets used for domestic purposes and they still have to import due to their massive rail expansion projects

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[-] Olap@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

100% this isn't a lost technology, it "just" needs some machines built

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Does Russia even have that precision machining capability?

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[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 3 months ago

The ball bearings are made in Germany with a very specific level of precision that China can definitely replicate given how they rapidly caught up to the rest of the world in the past 30 years economically and technologically. (Hint was done primarily through corporate espionage and theft)

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

China will make a play for Siberia and Far East by 2100.

!RemindMe 2100 Did China do this?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Heard they don't know how to build the Su-34 any longer (old forgotten Soviet stuff), only service and upgrade them.

Putin us really thinking with his ass now, they haven't lost the battle but they sure seems to have lost the war.

Ffs.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah, even if it ends tomorrow (which it will not, not even close) this has totally screwed over Russia.

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[-] Spitzspot 43 points 3 months ago

Ukraine is showing remarkable restraint by not razing the villages and not kidnapping Russian children. Slava Ukraini!

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 149 points 3 months ago

It requires no restraint if you're not a monster.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Yeah was gonna say... Russia has abducted and moved native populations as part of their imperialism, for most of their history. Ukraine presumably doesn't want to take over Russia so they have no need for such inhumane tricks.

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 months ago

They are liberating Russia

[-] Andonyx@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Right on, this isn't about Ukraine's restraint, it's about Russia's psychopathy.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 3 months ago

one of several reasons why looting is banned in all sensible armies is that looting slows advance

[-] timestatic@feddit.org 20 points 3 months ago

If you have a proper supply chain and logistics you don't need to rely on taking civilians stuff. The russian military and the members who loot the villages are just despicable

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago

Ukrainian soldiers are leaving Google reviews on local shops as they travel through. I don't think they are looting, but they are definitely stopping for snacks.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago

not only that, they're delivering humanitarian aid to civilians https://news.sky.com/video/ukrainian-military-have-been-delivering-humanitarian-aid-to-those-who-were-reportedly-abandoned-in-the-kursk-region-13197067

if i've seen this headline two weeks ago i'd think that i've gone crazy

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[-] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 38 points 3 months ago

Good, there will hopefully be more where that came from. I hope Russia is scared to fly over their own country.

[-] bazus1@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Russia is, after all, the second best air force in Russia.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

AIM-120Cs on F-16s, baby. Something to counter the R-77s and R-37s of the VVS.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago

Terms I recognize from your comment:

  • F-16
  • baby
[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

They gotta be running out soon

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