Lemmy world vegan community - hostile takeover (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 months ago by neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/vegan@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550

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A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community's rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing 'misinformation', and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of "promoting harmfull actions against pets".

As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn't already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn't) it most certainly isn't now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.

I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don't condone them whatsoever.

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[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was removed for stating that synthetic taurine is a thing which is used in food all the time and that a whole food plant based diet would kill a cat. according to the admin this is promoting dangerous actions.

[-] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 months ago

It's the vegans that are the animal abusers!

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What the actual fuck. Do they not even know that Monster Energy™ has vegan taurine? How else do they think vegans get their 166mg of caffeine per serving? 🙄

Anyways...

So, is this the instance mod overriding the community mods? Guess it's time to give up on LW. It really has become the cesspit of Lemmy.

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[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

I’m sorry, you were removed for recommending against a plant-based diet for cats by a non-vegan? I’m not sure I understand the angle here.

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No I was unremoving comments of someone explaining how a plant based diet can be safe, who also acknowledged that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal. In explaining why I was I also acknowledging that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal.

Cats can survive on a plant based diet, but only one carefully formulated and processed with additional supplements. If you try to keep mr fluffypaws alive on carrots and lentils he will die.

I point out this acknowledgement as it flies in the face of the alleged action of promoting harm to animals. You can check the modlog for the full hilarity /shrug

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Okay, that’s at least more consistent. Still bullshit, but it’s not as confusing.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I just read all that and I'm still quite confused. Before and after reading it, it sounded like you correctly characterized the situation but they claim you got it wrong..

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

They restored the comments explaining the extremely limited scenario for healthy plant based cat diets. While doing so, they reiterated that this is generally not safe, but the nonvegan mod still felt that the implication that a cat could ever be healthy was still dangerous misinformation.

I personally think that it’s technically possible, but too expensive and precise to be practicable (and probably not enjoyable for the cat). I don’t really see how that’s even controversial, but I’m not surprised that a nonvegan would take it as an endorsement for plant based cat diets (it’s not)

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

Well personally I do think we have a moral obligation to reduce harm and I don't see a good reason to privilege the life of one animal over another (humans included). Veganism as an ideology however is about what is practicable, and while it appears that cats can be transitioned it is very early days and can only be done responsibly if you are in a position to afford medical oversight and understand how to select correctly formulated foods.

As a vegan I am against pet keeping, but lots of abandoned animals exist and they need care there aren't institutions to provide so they end up in homes. I have a couple of rescue dogs living with me atm for example. In situations like this I think where possible we have a responsibility to juggle their needs and desires with broader harms. Like I don't let the dogs I care for hunt wildlife for fun, and give them enriching search games instead.

Abstracting away that death through food doesn't really change it.

But we're not insane, it's early days and while evidence suggests for cats its possible it isn't trivial and should be attempted responsibly, which nobody involved in this shitshow was claiming otherwise. The only people denying reality are the banned commentator who was saying that cats cannot survive on plant in the face of patient explanations by another user and the lemmy.world admin who tried to remove that user's comments in favour of the science denying ones.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I’m also vegan and nothing I said goes against that. I agree

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

It's also morally ambiguous to force an animal into a diet they have no understanding of.

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Only to the same extent as all pet keeping decisions. Like people breed pets, steralise them, make decisions about where they can and what they can do, decide what degree of medical care they get and so on. Any food is forced /shrug

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[-] shadysus@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago

I'm not vegan but I respect people for wanting a space to discuss.

https://sh.itjust.works/c/veganrecipes

https://slrpnk.net/c/vegan

vegantheoryclub.org is defederated from most of lemmy, but these communities are accessible and they are located on other instances.

@Beaver@lemmy.ca what communities do you prefer?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

vegantheoryclub.org is defederated from most of lemmy

Seems like a red flag.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

I personally just visit the community !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org since it is hosted and ran completely by vegans.

I would recommend the instances of VeganTheoryClub and Lemmy.vg to experience the vegan subculture without censorship.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 2 months ago

I tried to sub, but I've been waiting at pending for months

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[-] Senokir@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something but when I go to the instance list on lemmy.world it lists vegantheoryclub.org as being a linked instance. For good measure I also made sure that it wasn't on the blocked instances list. But when I try to view any community that exists on vegantheoryclub.org from lemmy.world it gives an error as if the entire instance is blocked.

If an instance is defederated it would show up on the blocked instance list right? That's literally what that is a lost of is it not? And if so was vegantheoryclub very recently defederated and the list just hasn't been updated or something?

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago

To give more context the Instance Vegan Theory Club defederated from Lemmy World since there were too many troll comments originating from there.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It only shows up as blocked if the instance is actively blocking it. VeganTheoryClub blocks LemmyWorld, but not the other way around and once an instance blocks another, traffic will not go through in either directions.

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

I respect people for wanting a space to discuss.

The mods here were deleting any comments (correctly) suggesting that vegan diets are unhealthy for housecats, so whatever "discussion" you thought was possible before the admins came around wasn't happening, because the mods forbid any discussion that includes difficult facts.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

I humbly offer https://lemmy.ca/c/veganism

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[-] szynaptic@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

I read the mod log regularly. I lol'd pretty hard when I saw the great Rooki himself get banned that day. Extremely not surprised to see that this has happened, it is typical LW admin behavior.

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[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Damn, now I need to manually migrate :/

[-] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago

Yes, we have vegan cookies (and also vegan pizza upon your arrival)

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

It's a cool place and you're a cool dude. You'll fit in

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 7 points 2 months ago

Soon...

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Vegans need to come together.

[-] spacesatan@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

reason #50931 to not use lemmy.world for your account or your community.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago

My thanks to the vegan mods of this community fighting to maintain its integrity ✊

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

Cheers, being a mod sucks. It's mostly reading vitriol, removing it, and then having creeps show up in your messages with vague threats or claims about how you're a megalomaniac.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago

Shame on the LemmyWorld admins storming into our place and silencing us. The actions in the modlog are fascist tactics.

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[-] x00z@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

So why is Rooki not banned yet? Who is the boss here?

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago

Admin supersedes moderator in this context.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I mean, the owner and other admins of the instance should stop any rogue admins right?

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

They should review their behaviour and then hold them accountable. We need objective admins who listen to both sides to a story not just the one they agree with the most.

[-] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Wtf?

[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I suspect rooki is also the one who banned me for (anti-white?) racism from !PoliticalMemes@lemmy.world lol

[-] Fleur__@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

"vegans are so annoying they always try to force their opinions on you"

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[-] Nerrad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Came for the recipes. Stayed for the wrestling match (pops another handful of vegan buttered popcorn into mouth).

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

vegan buttered popcorn

lmao

This is the "I use Arch btw" of the vegan world. Always have to insert their veganism into everything.

😘

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