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What are y'all's critique of Bookchin? (slrpnk.net)
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Bookchin prefigured many ideas in solarpunk and degrowth before these things were even coined. But what are your critiques of him?

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[-] atearinspace@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like in his later years he spent too much time dunking on anarchists. I think there is a lot of good in Communalism but don’t necessarily think it needs to be in conflict with ideologies such as Anarchism. If you get rid of some of the fluff such as constitutions then it’s basically a way to organize an anarchist society and fits well with syndicalism. Communalism as a way to organize where we live and syndicalism as a way to organize where we work.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

Tl;dr: He got a bit crazy in his later years, started a cult like commune and always had a bit of a blind spot for problems faced by BIPOCs etc.

Typical story of well known anarchist writers... ambiguous personalities 😅

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of the things I love about anarchist thinkers is that you don't have to pretend they were infallible idols. There's a little bit of mythologizing that goes on among anarchists, but most of us acknowledge that as a rule they were insufferable people naturally replicating the trauma they experienced from the political systems they lived under onto others. If someone is like "Bakunin was an antisemite" you can be like, "yeah, and fuck him for that. Fuck all antisemitism. But he hated the state most of all, so lets talk about why."

I don't think that's a good thing -- it has definitely been an obstacle in anarchist organizing, and we wouldn't say "Be careful with each other..." if we didn't need to be reminded. Maybe if there was an anarchist Mr. Rogers, we'd have automated transgender space luxury communism already.

No Gods, no masters also means no anarchist gods or masters.

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