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Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party (newrepublic.com)

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"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

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[-] cabbage@piefed.social 143 points 1 month ago

It's a two party system. Everybody knows if you run as a third party you're merely increasing the chances that the ones furthest from you politically will be elected.

It's impossible for a third party candidate to be running for president in the US in good faith unless they're complete fucking idiots with no idea how the political system works.

Jill Stein knows how the system works. So obviously she's not acting in good faith.

Simple as that.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Seems like you beat the coin flip today, and people agree with you. Watch out, next time the Libertarians and Communists will tell you that just getting on the ballot is enough to make a dent in the two party system...

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 47 points 1 month ago

It's a thread about the Green Party, those trolls don't bother coming here. The third party enthusiasts only show up for the Harris threads.

...speaking of good faith.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

The communist party of the United States has consistently refused to run candidates for major offices very specifically to avoid spoiling the vote.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

The Communist Party, yes. The air-quote Communists on Lemmy are just as happy to tell you to vote third party as anyone else.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah the kind who will do anything so long as it won’t help

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[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's room for 3rd party candidates who have principals that voters can compare candidates to and not let the 2 party system shift in whatever direction it wants as soon as the 2 parties start racing to the bottom. But if you accept Putin's money and influence it is your party who is racing to the bottom and you have no principles so that's when you become a useless drain.

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

When I was a teenager and foolish and a republican, we campaigned for the green party because we thought we could trick democrats into voting green but we'd never get them to vote republican. make of that what you will.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

It's literally one of the things they do every election. This isn't new. Or even news. Unless people were living under a rock, or blind.

Just like Russia, China, etc help any misinformation and disinformation campaign they can all over the world in other countries. All chaos is good for them in the end. Even if their ideal candidate doesn't win, the bickering they help stole makes it harder for other countries to rally very well against their interests.

It's the same reason the US has done the same shit all over as well. Promoting and supporting coups is a national passtime because it helps the US indirectly either way.

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[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

It makes total sense for Russia to make Jill Stein a Russian asset because it neutralizes an anti-oil organization. Oil is very important to Russia’s economy so of course they don’t want any phase-out of fossil fuels.

[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's much more simple. If Trump wins, Russia gets the Ukraine. Putin put the war in motion thinking Trump was a sure bet last election.

It why Trump is trying to pull us out of all our treaties. I think he gives Putin a run at all of Europe possibly.

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[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wait, the Green Party only had 300k members at it's peak? That's 0.001% of the American population. Why are all the tankies in here talking about how voting for Stein will make a difference? That's not even enough to consider her a contender in most states, much less for the whole country.

Edit: should be 0.1%. My bad and thanks for the correction!

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because they are not trying to get her elected, they are trying to destroy the west by getting trump elected.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Hey, at their peak, when Nader was running in 2000 and Bush was installed as President by the Supreme Court, the Greens got 2.7% of the vote!

The best they've done since then is Stein in 2016 with 1.07%.

Generally, they're 0.1%, 0.3%. In that range.

[-] ansiz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People forget, but in the 70's Nader was so feared by the DC elite that Nixon repeatedly complained about him on the Nixon tapes. Nader would have been a good president based on his record of advocating for citizens over corporations.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 month ago

Ah yeah I remember that! I remember everyone talking about the 3% threshold where (if I remember correctly) the green party would be included in debates and receive federal campaign funds. Hell, if they couldn't do it at the height of Nader always I don't see that happening now, particularly under Stein.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

Because they can smugly claim to have accomplished something with their vote while the country burns around them. Must be nice not being at risk under a Trump administration.

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[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

(319,000 / 293,000,000) * 100 = ~0.11%

Not 0.001%. Unless you were just overexaggerating their insignificance on purpose. However that's then potentially 319k less voters for the Dems.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 month ago

Nope, you're right. I did it in my head and forgot to multiply by 100. Good catch!

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[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 26 points 1 month ago

@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world

The Green Party is dying! Save it SB!

[-] sxan@midwest.social 26 points 1 month ago

Didn't you hear? @UniversalMonk@lemmy.world "isn't even voting for Jill Stein."

[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 month ago

He does respect your right to vote for whoever you want though!

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[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You win, as he used your prediction. 😆

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 25 points 1 month ago

Jill Stein is so bad that if I lived in a ranked choice voting state, I would still rank her pretty low.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Was the Green party ever alive? I don't think so.

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[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Green / Red...can't ell the difference when you're colorblind.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago

Reactionary people are unable to accept that some of us are socialists who have an absolute fear of more orange bad. I love where I live and planned to stay the rest of my life, but will be forced (by my own standards and fear) to leave the country if he returns to office.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

I think Ralph Nader killed it when he helped get us Bush and the war criminals.

Jill just figured out the Putin would pay to reanimate its corpse.

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