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On the Food network they boil potatoes, but they poach carrots. They poach turkey, but they boil eggs. They sauté' onions, but they fry eggs in the same pan. Likewise, they fry hash browns, but they sauté' onions in the same pan before adding the potatoes.

I can go on for days.

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[-] soren446@lemmy.world 152 points 1 year ago

Well a quick one is poaching vs boiling because it’s actually based on the water temperature itself. Boiling happens when water reaches its boiling point of 212°F where liquid water bubbles heavily and is at its hottest point. You’d cook things like pasta in this. Poaching is at a substantially cooler temperature of around 120°-180°F where you have smaller bubbles for a much gentler cook. You’d use delicate foods like shell-less eggs or fish or potatoes you don’t want to overcook or break. In between that you have a simmer, which is usually used to render a dish without overcooking it.

Frying usually means you are coating something pretty heavily in oils/fats which can be done to the point of immersion via deep frying. Fried ingredients typically need to sit longer to get a crust. Sautéing is a dryer way of cooking with oil where you use just a little to coat the ingredients and hit them with consistent heat and movement. This keeps things like vegetables from burning while still getting a good texture and flavor from the heat.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

The thing I've always found confusing is how American terminology as far as I can make out seems to almost always say "fry" to mean what I would always specify as "deep frying" and "sauteing" where I would usually say "fry". I think this is a Commonwealth countries thing and not just me. "Saute", to me had always seemed a kind of unusually fancy affectation for people working in restaurants with the average person eschewing it for the term "fry" until I started using YouTube and Google for recipes and got exposed to so much American material that I discovered they make these distinctions. I guess there's technical distinctions in how much oil you use in the pan (until the point of immersion where it's deep frying) but that seems much of a muchness.

Confusingly though I notice Americans seem to also sometimes use "fry" the way I would, but just sometimes. Eggs for example are "fried" but this is usually not meaning dropped in to a deep fryer. And then there's the confusion over the meaning of "grilling" vs "broiling" because as far as I can tell the term "broil" isn't used where I'm from and the the device Americans call a "broiler" is what we'd call a "grill" and things cooked under it are "grilled". I believe the American use of "grill" is referring to a shape of ridged cooking surface but then you get "grilled cheese" which I'd called "cheese on toast" or a "cheese toastie" which involves putting the sandwich in to a flat frying pan and which involves neither a broiler nor a ridged cooking surface and isn't referred to as sauteing nor frying. Then there's "griddled" which I think again is referring to a particular shape of cooking surface but given "grill" I just don't know.

Definitely some interesting variations within mostly shared vocabulary.

[-] techingtenor@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow you definitely aren't american as I'm scratching my head to even figure out what you mean by some of these. The average grill in america is a standalone outdoor cooking station with a metal grate used as the cooking surface. They are also found in restaurants but usually they are in a bit of a different form that what the average American thinks of as a grill. the grates give the characteristic lines of grilled food that many seek. A griddle is a grill where the grate has been replaced by a flat piece of metal, often used for small or runny foods that would fall between the grates of a regular grill.

We also dont typically have standalone broilers. Most american ovens have a broil option where the top heating element becomes very hot and can be used to brown the food.

The main difference between grilling and broiling, in my american eyes, is how they are used. Grilling is a technique for cooking food from start to finish. Broiling is a technique used at the end of cooking something to brown it or something to that effect. I wouldn't use the broiler in my oven to cook a whole meal, and I wouldn't turn on the grill or griddle just to brown something.

In my eyes saute is when you use only enough oil to keep something from sticking or burning, while frying is when you use enough oil that it starts to really add to the flavor of what you're cooking.

I think the worst thing Americans have done is the air fryer though. Its just a fucking tiny convection oven, there's no frying going on at all. They just know us fat Americans are conditioned to salivate when we hear the word fry and cower in terror from big science words like 'convection' lol

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

For saute vs fry the big difference is movement. Frying means let it sit, generally flip it once per side a food can supportitself on. Saute means near constant stirring or agitation.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeh a broiler here (Australia) is just as you describe and while I hadn't given it much thought is too used in the mode you describe as well, it's just that it's called a "grill" and the act of using it is to "grill" which is an amusing point of confusion since it seems to have very different connotations in the states. I was aware that "Grilling" over there also connotated using the outdoor grated cooking surface that I'd call a "barbecue" but I guess where I was confused is that I thought the term also covered those otherwise flat surfaces that have the ridges like those George Foreman "grill" things but apparently that's actually what a "griddle" is so that clears things up a bit. In either case I still can't understand why a toasted cheese sandwich cooked in a frying pan gets called "grilled" and funnily enough it's common to make a variation of that here that's not quite as good but much easier and lazier to make where you put a single slice of bread covered with cheese (though not the American kind as that probably wouldn't work very well with this method) under what I believe you'd call the "broiler". This local method of melting cheese on bread really added to the confusion before I became aware that "Grilling" meant something different over there because I figured this must have been what was meant by "grilled cheese" before I figured that out lol.

I think this system of classifying sauteing vs frying, is quite useful, a bit more precise than what I'm used to, just doesn't seem to get much use amongst my circles here. Still the lack of distinction necessarily made between degrees of "fried" is interesting since "fried" chicken seems to quite specifically mean deep fried even if for many dishes a person might well intend to use a lot of oil to cook some chicken but not necessarily plan to deep fry it.

[-] shanjezi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I have noticed many people from outside the US get hung up on grilled cheese. We just call it that for some reason and no one really thinks about it. If we stop to think, we know it is not grilled, and as far as I'm aware, it's the only thing we call "grilled" that is not grilled. I think the reason we do not call it a toasted cheese sandwich, or cheese toastie, as I think I've heard in the UK, is that would imply the use of a toaster (a standalone appliance with electric heating elements inside slots just big enough for a single slice of bread). I suppose griddled cheese might be a more accurate name, but we are too far gone to make that change.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Grilled cheese is cooked on a flat top grill/griddle, most people use a pan in home cooking because they don't have a flat top or it's just easier for a single grilled cheese to use a pan. Reubens and paninnis are other sandwiches that are grilled. You could probably argue that grilled generally means cooked at high heat. Then there's pancakes which are more commonly cooked on a griddle than a pan...

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's why I cook in French. Much clearer that way, and the recipes use proper units.

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[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

You're correct but it begs the question, why the hell would they poach carrots? If any vegetable can stand up to boiling it's a carrot. Blanching I could see, (that's a 2 minute dunk in boiling water, OP, with a quick cooldown) if you wanted to pre-cook them so they wouldn't be harder than everything else. Maybe they were just being poncy.

[-] soren446@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well it depends on the texture you are going for. A poached carrot will still have a little crunch and not be too soggy so they can pair well as a side dish or be a component that’s meant to stand out. Boiled carrots can lose a lot of flavor and texture since they’d be cooked too close to the core, meaning you wouldn’t serve them as a side dish or as the star of a dish. They’d instead impart their flavor and texture into things like soups or broths.

[-] PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Firstly, I appreciate you breaking it down! I knew they were different terms, but never really knew them outside of the standard 'poached eggs'.

Secondly, soggy carrots can get bent. If it doesn't crunch it's not for me.

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[-] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Poaching in olive oil, butter, wine, etc would give a different flavor. I agree that water poached carrots would be just a slower way to cook carrots than boiling them.

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[-] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Looks like we were typing at the same time. I totally agree with everything here.

[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Le sigh. Your answer makes me really wish we could have the equivalent of r/askculinary here.

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[-] FelipeFelop@discuss.online 30 points 1 year ago

Boiling and poaching are not the same. Frying and sautéing are not the same.

[-] boothin@artemis.camp 27 points 1 year ago

Yes, there are differences between those things.

Poaching is cooking in hot liquid, but the liquid is not boiling or even simmering, so it is a lower temp than both.

Saute generally means you're using a small amount of oil/fat and stirring/tossing the food to spread the oil/fat around on everything while cooking everything. Pan frying generally means you're cooking a larger piece of something and not tossing it around.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

So is Saute the same or similar thing like stir-frying?

[-] DasRubberDuck@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Similar, but I've only ever heard the term stir-fry used in combination with a wok over EXTREME heat.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, ok, thanks to the both of you!

I think you saute at a lower heat than stir-frying

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[-] CherryRedDragon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

As pointed out already, these terms have quite specific and different meanings but it's worth being aware that they often get used interchangeably a lot too, and therefore possibly incorrectly. A lot of the specific terms will come from french cuisine (like saute) including all different names for exactly how you've sliced up your vegetables (julliene, brunoise etc). I believe this was so recipes could be written very precisely and therefore reproduced more acccurately.

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It usually has to do with what chemical process happens to the food in question. Not all foods react the same to being dunked in boiling water. (Although I couldn't tell you what the difference between potatoes in boiling water and carrots in boiling water.) In the case of onions vs eggs, the same process is 1) extracting the water and using it to make sauce, with the onions, or 2) boiling off a tiny amount of liquid and heating the proteins to solidify them, in the case of eggs. Same method, wildly different chemistry.

Sometimes it has to do with how long that cooking method is applied, since a different thing happens. For example, you can poach OR hard-boil an egg; same method, different amount of cooking time.

In short, with a few exceptions, it's not about what process you're applying to cook the food, but about the result that it achieves in the food item.

[-] mypasswordistaco@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Poached and hard boiled eggs vary by more than just their cook time. These names are much less about chemical processes and more about differences in technique. See other comments in this thread.

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[-] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Poach equals lower temp liquid. It can be oil or water type liquid. Boil is maximum temp water type liquid only. Blanching is boiling for a short time with the intention of not cooking all of the way through (eg to get skin off or to prepare for preservation by freezing).

Fry and saute are used interchangably all the time. One person's fried onions is another's sauted onions. Saute should indicate small pieces turned or tossed in a moderate amout of fat. Fry can be small or large pieces and can have moderate to lots of fat as a cooking medium.

Note that this is how normal people in my region and life use these terms and I make no claim that this is 'right' just my experience.

[-] anonymous_bot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's not based on the item. You can boil turkey and poach eggs as well. Here's various definitions to get you started:

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/article/454/types-of-cooking-methods.html

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have no answers, just pointing out that boiled carrots and poached eggs are also things.

Boiling, poaching and blanching all have to do with how long something is immersed in boiling water, for instance. (I think, and those definitions may also subtly change with the food item.)

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They're slight variations in technique. Poaching is usually at a lower temperature than boiling, for instance.

[-] eatthecake@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Boiling happens in boiling liquid, poaching happens at a lower temperature and you wouldnt boil turkey. Sauteing is frying but uses little fat, unlike deep frying for example.

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Well now i am going to boil a turkey.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Well, until this post, I had never heard of poached carrots

i think you lack cooking technique. all of these things are different.. ie;
Poaching refers to cooking in hot—not boiling—water

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Sous Vide enters the room,

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