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As musicians, politicians and fans remember Sinead O’Connor, some Muslims are disappointed that the Irish singer and lifelong activist’s religious identity is not being highlighted in tributes.

UK police on Wednesday said the 56-year-old was found unresponsive in her London residence on Wednesday and that there her death was not being treated as suspicious.

Since the news of her death, Muslim fans of the 90s superstar have said her conversion to Islam, a cornerstone of her identity, was inspiring, but that some media reports have failed to note her religious beliefs in obituaries.

O’Connor, whose chart-topping hit “Nothing Compares 2 U” helped her reach global stardom, converted to Islam in 2018.

“This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian‘s journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant,” the songstress tweeted on October 19, 2018.

At that time, O’Connor tweeted selfies donning the Muslim headscarf, the hijab, and uploaded a video of her reciting the Islamic call to prayer, the azan.

She took on the Muslim name Shuhada’ Davitt – later changing it to Shuhada Sadaqat – but continued to use the name Sinead O’Connor professionally.

One social media user said imagery of the singer without the hijab points to the glaring lack of Muslim reporters in newsrooms.

Meanwhile, some said that O’Connor was an inspiration for queer Muslims globally.

In 2000, she came out as a lesbian during an interview. But the singer, who was married to multiple men throughout her life, later said that her sexuality was fluid and that she did not believe in labels.

Some found joy in O’Connor’s conversion growing up, seeing themselves represented, while others, just learning about her Muslim identity at the news of her death, also took inspiration.

O’Connor was no stranger to controversy.

A lifelong nonconformist, she was outspoken about religion, feminism, and war, as well as her own addiction and mental health issues.

In 2014, she refused to play in Israel.

“Let’s just say that, on a human level, nobody with any sanity, including myself, would have anything but sympathy for the Palestinian plight. There’s not a sane person on earth who in any way sanctions what the f*** the Israeli authorities are doing,” she told Hot Press, an Irish music magazine.

Her iconic shaved head and shapeless wardrobe defied early 90s popular culture’s notions of femininity and sexuality.

In 1992, she ripped up a photo of Pope John Paul II during a television appearance on Saturday Night Live, vocal against the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse.

The late former star was also a firm supporter of a united Ireland, under which the United Kingdom would relinquish control of Northern Ireland.

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[-] schwim@lemmy.world 146 points 1 year ago

Let's help people remember her Muslim identity then, I'll start:

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think she was a complicated person who struggled in a lot of ways, but she did apologize for saying this...https://people.com/music/sinead-oconnor-apologizes-saying-white-people-disgusting/

I'll never understand the switch to Islam though, but then again, I'll probably never understand why anyone chooses any religion either -- Especially someone who took the kinds of positions she had taken earlier in life. People are complicated. I won't hold that against her.

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[-] astral_avocado@programming.dev 133 points 1 year ago

Outspoken non-conformist feminist conforms and converts to Islam, declaring all other religions worldwide, wrong and invalid. Could almost be an Onion article title.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago
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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago

Listen, I love Sinead, but she had some serious mental health issues. She became a catholic priest after lambasting the catholic church over child sexual abuse, then left the catholic church, then converted to Islam in 2018? I think if we want to completely divulge every single issue she had in her life, it does a disservice to her memory. From my perspective, there's no reason other than mania that I can think of why someone like her would convert to a faith like Islam.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

She became a catholic priest

That doesn't sound right.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

It was a not officially recognized sect

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[-] Nowyn@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

Islam as religious text basis doesn't really differ in a bad way from the other two Abrahamic religions. It even gives some extra rights to women that Christianity and Judaism don't. Forcing hijab on women is also expressively banned in Islamic theological texts. Doesn't change how it works in practice as forced hijab is pretty common in fundamentalistic Islamic theocracies. But might explain why converting is a little bit less insane than at the surface level. If I had to choose one of the Abrahamic religions on a purely theological basis I might end up choosing Islam. Please note, I am not trying to give a pass to Islam, Islamic countries or especially fundamentalist Muslims. The issues are myriad. People outside Islamic countries just have a somewhat skewed image of the religion. Both in theory and practice.

[-] arquebus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It's a religion founded by a guy who consummated a marriage to a 9 year old girl - on that basis alone, converting as a woman is super fucked up.

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[-] joe@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

I have to admit that I always thought she was agnostic, if not atheist, from that Pope stuff.

I idly wonder why a gay feminist would convert to Islam. Aren't those things incompatible? Is this my ignorance showing? Are there sects of Islam that are more open minded, like there are sects of Christianity?

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

In short, yes, Islam varies a lot based on the actual community you're a part of. Few places are as extreme as Afghanistan, even if you look at other conservative theocracies. When you're looking at Muslim communities in Western Europe, it's a very different situation.

[-] joe@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Well, TIL a few things. Thanks.

[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Additionally, most of the world's Muslims don't live in the Middle East or North Africa. South and and Southeast Asia combined have by far the largest Muslim population in the world. India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. And the way they practice Islam is quite different from the Middle East and North Africa. According to Wikipedia, there are about 241 million in Pakistan, 236 million in Indonesia, about 200 million in India, and 151 million in Bangladesh.

[-] livus@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

And the way they practice Islam is quite different from the Middle East

Worth noting that fundamentalist Islam is exported from KSA, similar to how evangelical Christianity is exported from USA.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Mental illness.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

Yeah - her anger was directed at the church not religion. Wearing a hijab, however, seems completely irrational for a feminist. But doing something people don't expect to get attention and make people mad is definitely on-brand.

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[-] eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz 88 points 1 year ago

Nobody mentioned the relligion of Tonny Bennet, Tina Turner, Jerry Springer, Michael Jackson, Meat Loaf, Taylor Hawkins, Whitney Huston or any other celebrity that has died in my lifetime. The only two dead celebrities that I remember being connected to religion was the Pope and Mother Teresa (I am sure that I am biased though)

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[-] Sukisuki@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just found out she converted to islam after her departure. I've been thinking about this.

It is easy to believe a religion is "the good one" when it's under represented because the members of the religion don't really have the power over the society so they don't, or can't, hold other people down with their extremist ideals.

When I first left islam I went through something similar. Here majority is muslim and other religions are scarce. So christians seemed like peaceful modern people minding their own business, respecting women and stuff. Which they were. But as I learned about the church and bible and all that, I understood I failed to analyze the religion as a whole properly. I just looked into a very small window and thought that was the whole thing.

Christianity was the antithesis of islam for me for a while. It's the same with the artists and rich white folks who convert to islam. They get new eccentic sounding names and their melodies change. But they never really live in a real muslim community nor they experience a VERY oppressive muslim culture. They get this image of a religion where you casually cover your head if you want to and nobody cares about anything other than inner peace. Which is cool but far, far from any kind of reality.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago

Almost as if organized religion backed by a majority potentially intertwined with the state is what is really repressive and backwards.

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[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

Almost every article I read yesterday mentioned that she converted to Islam. They didn't spend a lot of time on it, because it happened relatively recently and the articles mostly hit the highlights that most people would know, like the songs she released in the 90s and the infamous incident on SNL that resulted in an informal ban in the US.

[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is just a shitty ragebait sharticle. In most countries, someone's religion is a private matter and isn't mentioned more than in passing in an obituary

If people are getting wound up about it, they're probably stupid cunts looking for something to get wound up about

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 year ago

because her religion had nothing to do with what she was famous for. Who the hell cares which fantasy book she liked the best.

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[-] zouden@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

It's because people assume it's just a phase for her, like being a lesbian or being Catholic. None of those lasted.

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[-] bleepbloopbleep@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

It's just religion. Any fanatism should be ignored.

Unfortunately many religions are fanatic.

You're welcome to downvote me into the depths of the underworld now.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago

Because nobody in the west likes Islam.

There's a fair amount of racism wrapped up in that sentiment that can't be ignored, but Islam hasn't exactly done itself many favours in the PR department.

Pre-2001 it was a kooky religion that popstars converted to and changed to a funny foreign sounding name and you'd hear little else about it. Maybe your local corner shop owner would get out his prayer mat to the bemusement of locals.

Post-2001 Muslims are scary bearded men with hooks for hands. They hate our way of life and we instantly feel less sympathy for them when we hear the word Muslim. If the Serbia/Kosovo situation had kicked off in 2002 instead of 1998, we'd have taken the Serb's side on it.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

One social media user said imagery of the singer without the hijab points to the glaring lack of Muslim reporters in newsrooms.

So we can't use images of Sinead O'Conner pre-2018 when talking about her legacy and remembering her work?

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[-] cogneato@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Uhh, if anyone wants to highlight religion, especially a change of religion, to someone's early death please feel free.

[-] ChrisRo@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

Tbh. I think religion should always be a private thing and should have no place in public.

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