Did something happen with Godot that caused the lost sponsors....?
Edit: this thread has some discussion if you're out of the loop like me
Kinda sounds like Godot did pretty much nothing wrong and it's just a bunch of internet drama? Hard to tell honestly
Silly drama about a mod of an unofficial discord.
It was the official discord until earlier this year, so it's kinda not just "some unofficial server". Also, the mod in question was using racial slurs. Granted, the Godot foundation also split ways with them.
Additionally there was something about an over zealous community manager blocking people over responses that supposedly weren't all that inflammatory or bad? I'm not super sure there, I've only kinda half been paying attention to it
This leaves out a lot. xananax did use the n-word in a few messages 8 years ago to refer to himself as a joke, in response to being called that in other communities (he's arab and thus one of the slurs was sand n-word). He has apologized for those messages a long time ago, and throughout the years has shown no tolerance towards towards racism or any other kinds of bigotry. What he did do sometimes was use some very strong and crude language (think on the level of calling someone human filth) towards such bigots (if I recall correctly there were at least two instances of such events in the past once towards someone defending israel's actions and another towards a transphobe, he did apologize for both I think). Like, I think he can be criticized, but not for racism.
Also, I think the main drama is just bigots suddenly noticing Godot's stance in regards to inclusiveness that the foundation had the whole time, from a tweet by the foundation sarcastically using the word "woke" and encouraging people to share their games that are "woke". The xananax thing isn't really the main drama, I think.
Yes, the Twitter drama is the actual drama, not the discord stuff. Their official Twitter posted a relatively harmless "woke" tweet, which got met with the usual derogatory replies you would expect on Twitter. They then deleted all those replies and blocked their authors, but also deleted and blocked tons of regular replies to the tweet.
The following statement by their community manager also pissed off a lot of people, because they were asking everyone that got blocked to manually appeal the block, instead of just taking their time to review the tweets they deleted and unblocking people
Even then it's still a minor drama that is getting blown out of proportion
Outrage baiters doing their rounds. Business as usual.
WTF is the "Gamer Word?"
Racist and sexist slurs, most likely.
You know, edgy 14 year old kids on xbox
I'm so glad the Internet didn't exist when I was that age.
I no longer identify as a "gamer" it's long since been coopted by a group I have no desire to associate with.
Not sure what their "world" is but I imagine a lot of tendonitis from all the knee jerk reactions from the members of it
Hey that's exactly why I'm back on Lemmy. After getting "we'll ackshewally'd" one too many times by PC Gameurs™ I just fucking can't anymore
Literally every game dev I know feels the same way. Gamers are the actual worst. Even when they're not doing their culture war schtick, they're complaining about the overhead of borderless fullscreen like it's 2010.
The n-word.
Such named for multiple incidents of edgy preteens using it in voice chat. And then PewDiePie cementing the relationship during an infamous incident where he said it while playing player unknown's battlegrounds.
Oh you know...
They made a cheeky tweet asking for people to share their projects while referencing a lowlife saying that "using 3rd party engines is woke"
cockroach "people" then jumped in on it triggering a harassment campaign
Please dont call people lowlifes or cockroaches or "people" thats such a Nazi way of expressing your thoughts. Im sure there are better insults that dont involve calling them "subhuman".
For those objecting to this it's absolutely true. Fight Nazis, with guns when necessary, but do not be misled into believing they are wholly alien or inhuman. That's how you end up living in the middle of a bunch of Nazis without realizing their Nazis.
Remember the most pathetic thing about these people is they they are as human as everyone else, they just actively decided to utterly lobotomize their empathy and compassion.
If we look at their perspective, engines that could block you from developing in them are more "woke" than an open source one that doesn't enforce any restriction on its developers by design. Going after godot for this feels so dumb.
It's just a vocal minority of people with nothing to do, so they get mad at other people being happier than they are.
Ah. I misread the post, I follow what the guy is saying and what your title was about now.
And yeah that's more or less the basic jist I was getting. Seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset over.
So just shitty people we don't need in the community anyway.
The only people who are mad are the kinds of people who have the ages of consent memorized for all 50 states.
Also my impression. Seems like it's manufactured, encouragement not to engage with any of it?
I was on Xitter to read an update about LGRs situation, when I got one of those "suggested tweets" about Godot from some random account. I clicked on it because I thought it was a totally different situation like Godot going closed source or something.
Nope. It was an entire thread on a bunch of racist transphobes being pissy about an LGBTQ post and how Godot was "Woke" now and "Why are they being political now". "Go woke, go broke" was also mentioned unironically quite a bit and how people were going to leave in droves for Unity. Nice to see the chant was (once again) proven wrong.
It was a disgusting echo chamber, I had to wash my hands after that.
how people were going to leave in droves
These idiots seriously think they're in the majority viewpoint. No exposure to reality will dissuade them of this belief.
That is exactly the issue with algorithm-driven social media : they are the majority in their reality. It is distorted because of the algorithm, but nevertheless it is the world they are living in.
I think it is worse that, if you want to make serious money off of running a social network, and dont want to actually have real moderation (which paying for essentially erases any serious profit margin) instead of ai crap, this is always how it is going to turn out. Bluesky might claim to be different but is just a slight reframing of the "problem" that leverages the high cost of moderation to set the stage for rationalizing centralization down the road.
I mean yeah elon musk is a shithead toxic jerk, but it isnt like any other corporate social networks actually do any genuine moderation at scale that is legitimately effective at protecting people who are considered a target by rightwing trolls.
You can either create profit for shareholders off of running a social network or have it be a healthy place for people, pick one.
Wait, what's going on with LGR?
I don't have xitter account so I can't see what's going on
He lives in Asheville, NC one of the places wrecked by flooding from Helene. Last update was his house has been significantly damaged to the point where it's basically unhabitable, but he is safe with family.
Damn I'm happy to hear they're alright and I hope he can get that straightened out quick
Don't know how I missed that vid as I'm subbed to Jeff Geerling
Damn that's an informative video though
"Go woke, go broke".
Seriously, has this really happened to any company?
It's easy to claim Bud Light, but they were doing fine until they backed away from supporting LGBT, then they had trouble (from both sides), so it's just as easy to claim "Go fasc, no cash".
Damn I guess my game is woke now. I should up my donation
Fuck twitter.
Godot is amazing! Adding my contribution to the fund. The future is open source.
I love that one fork that was made. So cute that they think people will use it when it's basically just a mirror.
"we're the not woke godot! It's exactly the same but maintained by dipshits!"
@gamerbro83 @toAIC pretty sure someone just saw the opportunity to run a donations scam (mirror for a few months, maybe change the default theme while taking donations). Seems to be the thing to do for that crowd (cause drama, scam others based off the drama)
The software and programming world desparately needs to go more woke, so does gaming culture in general, it is the only way to get the toxic assholes to shut up and sit down... and create the oxygen needed for communities that arent embarassing sess pools of tiny pathetic men who exclude everyone else.
It's so funny seeing tourists complain about it being woke. 9/10 times these guys have never used the engine before
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