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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

California fast food workers will be paid at least $20 per hour next year under a new law signed Thursday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

When it takes effect on April 1, fast food workers in the state will have among the highest minimum wages in the country, according to data compiled by the University of California-Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education. The state's minimum wage for all other workers is at $15.50 per hour and is already among the highest in the nation.

Newsom's signature on Thursday reflects the power and influence of labor unions in the nation's most populous state, which have worked to organize fast food workers in an attempt to improve their wages and working conditions.

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[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 203 points 1 year ago

Here's a (not so) funny anecdote: I went to Italy years ago and got McDonald's equivalent of a double quarter pounder with cheese for shits and giggles. Dollar for euro, the price was about the same, if not a little cheaper, in Italy. Now couple that with the fact that Italians have access to healthcare, are paid a living wage, and have ample vacation pay.

These companies could pay their workers properly and provide benefits if they wanted to, they have the money. They don't because fuck you

[-] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But did you ever stop to think about how Italy's system impacts the most important among us: the wealthy shareholders? A truly humane system would prioritize them at all costs.

/s (should be obvious, but I'll put it there to be safe.)

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

But muh freedumb

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah when you think about how many meals they sell in an hour, they probably only need to charge less than 20 cents more for a meal to cover the cost of employees having a livable wage.

If were charging more for your burger in Italy, the difference in price was small enough to be unnoticeable. Because when you do the math, employees wages at a fast food joint isn't a significant percentage of the price.

[-] b3an@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They still monkey around the hours in these places to avoid paying any employee too much. I’ve worked in similar industries and you have to fight for shifts, or deal with taking shifts last minute on your days off.

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[-] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 81 points 1 year ago

This is an awesome victory for fast food workers and unions. People constantly shit on the folks working in customer service and kitchen jobs, but they are often gruelling and unpleasant. The people there certainly deserve it more than the CEOs and shareholders exploiting them (I mean, I'm against the entire structure, but if we're working within that structure, then ye ^.^).

[-] MagikarpeDiem@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

For people who are afraid that raising wages will mean less people employed: for the most part, wage demand is pretty inelastic. Studies have shown that wages changes really don't mess with numbers employed that much. Most places only want to employ the least number of people they can already. They can't go lower, generally.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Of course it doesn't. The amount of money these people make is insignificant compared to the billions siphoned off by corporations to payout themselves and their shareholders. Wage suppression is about control.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Hopefully this will cause a push to higher wages across the board. California is expensive to live in, and $20 / hr is reasonable, but difficult, to live on.

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[-] FeetinMashedPotatoes@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

PA over here still having to eat human feces for lunch since minimum wage is still $7.50

[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

In CA we'd have to pay $20 for those feces lol.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Food here is no higher than the rest of the country We produce a ton of food. Housing and gasoline are the real expenses.

[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You're right, but I know for a fact I could pick up groceries in Yuma (AZ) for a fraction of the cost in CA, because I do.

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[-] anonono@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

that doesn't even buy top shelf fresh organic shit

only preprocessed canned shit shipped from who knows where.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 year ago

Money is literally worth half of what it was when I graduated high school in the 90s. My senior year I worked as a grocery clerk and made $9.50/hr while in a small city in Oregon (not expensive California). Math works out for me.

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, there's this, and this to say you're right. Had the minimum wage tracked in line with production, it would be ~$26 today. If it had tracked in line with inflation, it would probably be closer to $21.45.

That it's been flatlined for so long means people working for minimum wage have been getting steady pay cuts for 50 years.

It also happens that this is one of the reasons social security is straining financially- they were able to predict the demographic bulge of the baby boomers well enough, but they weren't able to predict that wages would be constrained in the way they have been- and wages are the basis for Social Security's funding.

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[-] sushibowl@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

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[-] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

cool, now give everyone a living wage, maybe a universal income, & you'll have solved poverty

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[-] Orionza@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Now what about the rest of everyone? There need to be regulations for everyone, including gig workers, to make more money.

[-] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Gig workers gimped themselves voting to remain as contractors in prop 22. And now there's that stupid 80%(?) majority rule to make amendments.

[-] hayes_@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

In those workers’ defense, the delivery companies spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a disinformation campaign to trick the public into thinking that voting for 22 was in their own interest.

It’s absurd that it was on the ballot in the first place.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yep, I remember riding in Ubers and conversing with the drivers about it at the time. A lot of their responses were to the effect of "well Uber told us X on a notification on my phone." And I would ask them do you really think Uber has your best interest in mind? I hope I actually woke a few of them up, but most did little to no research, and were actively telling people to vote for it.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

In those workers’ defense, the delivery companies spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a disinformation campaign to trick the public into thinking that voting for 22 was in their own interest.

Probably the single easiest proof that the companies see the proposed changes as a threat to their bottom line. They're not spending that much money for their workers, they believe it'll cost less to sway opinion than it would to change policy. That people still buy into the bs is really disheartening.

[-] gothicdecadence@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I was one of those tricked 😔

[-] Pj55555@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Go after those who caused the increased cost of living not employees who are simply trying to survive because of it.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I wonder if McD’s “automated” franchises are the preemptive move by the company expecting more of this to happen. The writing was on the wall and they moved to compensate. They make a big deal of it like it’s some cool thing, but IRL they’re just reducing human overhead.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 year ago

Brazil have a shit minimum wage and McDonald's and other fast food restaurants are full with automated cash registries and self service.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's always the idle threat, but the reality is that they likely don't want to invest in the machines anyway.

I think a more likely phenomenon is that some (likely smaller) chains will be like "fuck it" and close up shop in CA.

Or the most likely scenario is that they just pad the prices a little more in CA and keep the chains open.

Long term I think people will just adjust to it and it'll be normal. Chains that are looking to maintain their "value" positioning will just absorb it out of their profit margins like they do in other localities.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They will absolutely replace all the workers with robots the second they can, even at 5.00/hr wages for workers.

Might as well bleed them until then.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

The "automated" stores are less about reduction in labor cost and more about improving the overall operation and growing sales (thus increasing jobs.) It does help labor cost because the labor that is staffed is more efficient, but that's more of a tertiary outcome. They still employ roughly the same number of staff, and potentially will employ even more as efficiency of the process grows.

Simplest way I can explain this is thinking about the order kiosks. One of the worst parts of fast food is that most people aren't actually trained at birth how to order right, and secondarily it introduces another couple of humans who are fallible and won't get it correct. EG: customer comes into McDonald's and says "I want the whopper basket." Crew person, internal: "wtf are they talking about, I guess I'll give them a big mac." Then the customer comes back pissed off because they actually wanted a quarter pounder with fries, it has to be remade distracting the kitchen, manager, that crew person, etc further.

Also, the entire time the customer is ordering, it's engaging a whole crew person. To scale up and take more orders, you have to add an additional crew person for each order you want to take concurrently, and because customer flow is not 100% predictable, this isn't even really possible. Most McDonalds have like 4 kiosks, and you'll only find that they're all used at the same time for maybe a grand total 3-4 hours a day. To replicate that with a human, you would have to be like "I need you to work from 7:23-7:59, and you to work 11:46-12:07, and you to work, 12:03-12:07..." which literally no one is going to do, and isn't actually that predictable regardless. No automation means some customers are going to come in, see a line, and peace out. This means lower sales, and lower overall employees.

With automation, the demand can be filled much more often and a whole massive point of complexity is removed. In the example above, the customer comes in wanting a whopper basket, looks at the menu and goes "oh they call it a quarter pounder here" and clicks the buttons. Because they can now capture more demand, kitchens are busier and there are more orders to deliver, so they move that person who was going to be extremely inefficient by comparison serving customers 1:1, and move them to a kitchen position or to an expo position.)

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[-] ChlorineAddict@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Out of all the pictures likely taken during the announcement they had to use the one with the Wendy’s gal picking her nose?

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