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A first-of-its kind law requiring a minimum wage for app-based delivery workers will take effect after a judge rejected the companies' bid to block it.

Uber, DoorDash and Grubhub won’t be able to get out of paying minimum wage to their New York City delivery workers after all, following a judge’s decision to reject their bid to skirt the city’s new law. The upcoming law, which is still pending due to the companies’ ongoing lawsuit, aims to secure better wage protections for app-based workers. Once the suit settles, third-party delivery providers will have to pay delivery workers a minimum wage of roughly $18 per hour before tips, and keep up with the yearly increases, Reuters reports.

The amount, which will increase April 1 of every year, is slightly higher than the city’s standard minimum wage, taking into account the additional expenses gig workers face. At the moment, food delivery workers make an estimated $7-$11 per hour on average.

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago

Remember when minimum wage driver work went up for a vote in California under prop 22 and we still voted against it? Im always so mad every election cycle i feel like everyone is a complete moron working against themselves

[-] hayes_@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Copying my own comment from another thread:

In those workers’ defense, the delivery companies spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a disinformation campaign to trick the public into thinking that voting for 22 was in their own interest.

It’s absurd that it was on the ballot in the first place.

[-] Cheesus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately corporate advertising works when it comes to elections

[-] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is it fair to call people stupid when they're facing a literal corporate propaganda campaign? I'd sooner reach for "corporations are evil" than "people are stupid" in that case. Remember how people used to treat you if you were against the Iraq war? And today, we know that thing was unnecessary and awful. Sometimes powerful people just manage to convince us of things that aren't true.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

You dont have to always be the victim, dont strip away your obligation for due diligence just because some corporation made a nice commercial.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's not one or the other. The corporate propaganda works because people are stupid.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

I agree in so far as the human brain is pretty fucking stupid and easily "hacked." Especially when companies literally pay psychologists to get better at brain hacking.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess who's about to keep all employee tips... A minimum wage is a great first step, but stricter regulation will be needed to curtail the absurd levels of greed from these megacorps.

[-] weedazz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess who's going to stop playing 20% for tips now that I don't have to subsidize a subhuman wage?

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago

Honest question to the lemmy users here, but do people believe the solution to the affordability crisis in the US is to raise the salaries of every single job out there (menial or skilled)?

Looking to have a real conversation and not just a 'fuck capitalism' one (and yes, I know it sucks, but I'm looking for a real conversation).

[-] FancyManacles@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

No, the optimal solution is to have a society where all the blood and sweat equity that has been put into the system by workers is finally repaid, and the capitalist leeches of the world are knocked off their thrones. Workers created the abundance that allowed the billionaires of the world to get fat while they let others starve, and only once that misappropriation of resources is ended can we fix the issues that the oligarchs have created.

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[-] weedazz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes, wages need to proportionally keep up with the rate of inflation, otherwise you are literally getting paid less to do the same work every year.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

This part I haven't figured out. Seems chicken and egg to me. If we keep raising wages to match inflation, the costs of good measured to match inflation will also go up and we end up with higher inflation right?

[-] Javi_in_4k@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Yes. Higher wages actually is the solution.

[-] missveeronica@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I dont think raising minimum wage will help. It just forces the service to raise the cost of the delivery fee. I don't know the answer to the affordability crisis, but it ain't that!

I come in peace, because you wanted an honest answer/real conversation. .

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Well. It doesn't force the service to do so, the higher ups just decide they want to preserve their pockets and charge the customer more.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

aaaand THAT is the real fucking issue here. All these low wages are completely unnecessary but the C-suite needs their bonuses to increase YoY!!!

Yes, it comes out of worker compensation, what's your point?? If wages go up we will have to raise prices instead of cutting (or even limiting increases) into our poor leadership's bonuses and compensation /s

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

are you really questioning if people deserve a competitive wage in which they can actually live on?

Do you believe the solution is instead to limit which jobs get paid a wage you can survive on? I'm not saying all jobs, but you better believe higher wages to the workers and less to the C-suite is 1000000000000% a better solution.

Do you have ANY idea how much wealth has been transferred from the workers to the elite since just 2020?? Open your fucking eyes

According to Forbes, the 10 richest people, as of 30 November 2021, have seen their fortunes grow by $821 billion dollars since March 2020.

The wealth of the world’s 10 richest men has doubled since the pandemic began. The incomes of 99% of humanity are worse off because of (and following) COVID-19. Widening economic, gender, and racial inequalities—as well as the inequality that exists between countries—are tearing our world apart. This is not by chance, but choice: “economic violence” is perpetrated when structural policy choices are made for the richest and most powerful people. This causes direct harm to us all, and to the poorest people, women and girls, and racialized groups most.

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[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

I am not saying people don't deserve a living wage. Raising the minimum wage helps solve short term problems, but from what I see, doesn't help fix the high cost of living. The cost of living needs to be lowered somehow, and I was curious what people thought on this. I don't think the money to subsidize the workers are going to come from the CEOs salaries...

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

It's the wrong question. The question isn't "why shouldn't people get paid more" but "why should profit even exist?"

Profit exists only as excess value and does nothing to help anyone except those already so rich they can't spend it.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's the wrong question. Profits exists in every society and many countries are capitalist or have their own flavor of capitalism. If the idea is to create a system where those who excel are rewarded, then profits need and should exist. In a capitalist economy, this drives better products, better services, etc. Additionally, the opposite of profit (loss), serves as a great metric to determine whether something is worth doing. If the customer wants a pure gold toilet, but only has $50 to spend, your going to offer them spray paint instead of the real thing.

There are some bad apples that abuse profits, and disproportionately hoard all the value, but I'm looking to discuss my original question.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I'd argue a meritocracy is impossible. how does one determine the best person at writing marketing copy, or mowing lawns, or cleaning gutters? You end up creating a race to the bottom of speed, price and lack of safety or security. Only the most ruthless, manipulative, careless end up winning.

Profit is excess — so it's not a natural byproduct. No one ever lowers prices, but you can, no one ever splits out excess wealth to workers but you can. It's not impossible.

I'd ask you does captialism create a better product? We're here on Lemmy, so its especially pertinent to ask whether reddit was better as a free product for the benefit of everyone, or is it better as a for-profit model with ads, gold, awards, data vending, paid tiers etc?

Same for privatization of railroads, water, power. When is an example of (long term) improvement of private ownership?

Same for Healthcare, why is it better to have more expensive service, less access, more barriers but a better paid middleman?

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[-] Ibex0@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

To those who live there: How does $18/hour in NYC compare to $20/hour in California (for the fast food thing recently passed here)? Is that a living wage there?

[-] Artaca@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago

Household income for me and my wife was around $150k and we got priced out of the city. A lot of Dashers take late night trains deep deep outside of the city, or they live with half a dozen other Dashers on alternating schedules, sharing beds.

[-] Rekhyt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not a resident of either but it's worth mentioning that this is NYC not NY state and California probably has suburban and rural areas that are much, much cheaper cost of living than NYC.

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