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submitted 1 year ago by cron@feddit.de to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

The YouTube channel "Maximum Fury" conducted a technical test of the new Cyberpunk add-on called "Phantom Liberty" on an older AMD hardware system, testing it separately on Linux and Windows 11. The Linux system, specifically the Fedora distribution called Nobara, performed significantly better, delivering 31% more frames compared to Windows 11.

The hardware used for testing included an Asrock B550 motherboard with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 CPU and an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU from the first RDNA generation, along with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM. The CPU, RAM, and GPU were overclocked, and the system utilized undervolting to save energy costs.

When testing the game at 1080p resolution with high textures, the Linux system achieved an average of 63.72 frames per second (fps), while Windows 11 managed only 48.55 fps. This suggests that the game should run noticeably smoother on the Linux system.

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[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago
[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago

Ha that hit hard. This is basically the system I just upgraded to. Well at least it'll run the game well.

[-] ______@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

There isn't a single piece of software that I use that makes me think I should upgrade my 5600. Not a single game fully utilizes it (on 1440p res)

Older hardware is fine.

[-] Pantrygheist@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

Me with my i7 2600 playing with oblivion level graphics: yeah, older hw is just fine

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

cries in .blend

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[-] greyjedi@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

What are the chances that it's just not rendering something due to the DX12 to Vulkan translation?

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Possible, but looking through the footage it seems everything is being rendered as expected.

[-] wreleven@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

Thanks Stadia. No wonder it performed so well.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

That may be true, but that’s only because Linux is better than Windows.

[-] NBJack@reddthat.com 32 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 is trash. Microsoft kept boasting it was "faster" than 10, but it is (unsurprisingly?) heavy in some weird areas, including a less snappy start menu, more telemetry, invasive integration with their software, you name it. Tried one machine in my collection to try it via an upgrade (a Microsoft Surface Pro 6), and the performance was so bad I ended up going back to Windows 10. Multi-second lag just to get to the program shortcuts is a really bad sign.

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[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is just unfortunate that it does not run on Nvidia hardware. The benchmark runs if you disable all RTX features, but it crashes on a new game before you even have full control of the character.

Looking at protondb it looks like all people with Nvidia have issues since the 2.0 update. I hope there will be some fix soon. I don't want to replace the GPU yet it would be a waste (2080 Super).

For now I am playing it on my Steam Deck instead.

[-] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know what you're talking about, It run very well on my Nvidia GPU on Linux before and after the patch and DLC.

[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Create a new character, select corporate start and once the other person enters the room the game crashes just for the easiest 100% reproducible crash. Other people have the same problems and even if they get past that (different game start) it still frequently crashes due to Nvidia driver bugs as far as I understand it.

If it works so well for you what's your setup? I heard some older Nvidia cards might work better.

[-] cpw@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Downgrade to the 510 Nvidia driver. Runs absolutely solid on my rtx2080. It should be noted that this crash seems to be quite correlated to the rtx20x0 cards - my speculation is that something about dlss is a bit borked on them since they're the first dlss 2+ cards. It's not even exclusively Linux either, reports indicate that there's some sort of overlay (I blame the call overlay myself) that is tanking fps on windows as well. The 510 driver works great because dlss isn't available for it as I understand it.

[-] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just tried this on my Nvidia 3090 with no issues. Corpo start, went all the way to T-Bug's Mili-tech training program just fine. DLSS and Psycho RT enabled.

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[-] sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 25 points 1 year ago

Casual vulkan W?

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Now can you make it stop defaulting to controller keybindings on Linux?

[-] Nihil@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

echo '2C45C6: EB' | xxd -r - Cyberpunk2077.exe

In the x64 bin folder

[-] neutron@thelemmy.club 23 points 1 year ago

Source, and what is this command supposed to do? We shouldn't blindly copypaste shell commands from online.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Shut up and look at the more frames. - article author mumbling - God damn ingrates always complaining just because things don't work right... 30% more frames is practically 10% less controller!
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[-] BallsInTheShredder@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Haha, what a crazy coincidence! I had the original cyberpunk last year on windows 10. It was glitchy as hell but ran semi decent on my hardware.

Deleted it, and last night just installed phantom liberty.

Ngl, the gameplay and feel is so far 10x better than it was before the update. It's actually complete now and if you hated it before I'd honestly recommend another try as so far I'm actually sort of enjoying the gameplay whereas I hated it before and only played for the story.

Anyway, my issue is that with all of the updates it's not running anywhere near as nice as it was before. I'm having to run it on the lowest resolution with every graphic option disabled which stinks because with the gameplay being fixed somewhat I'd really like to enjoy it graphically as well.

I've installed Ubuntu dual boot on my ssd before and can do that again but any tips? I wouldn't know about where to even get phantom liberty on fedora or how to install it?

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[-] Mindlight@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a well known fact that every second major release of Windows is crap.

  • Windows 95 was not the best.
  • Windows 95OSR2 was the one you wanted.
  • Windows 98 sucked.
  • Windows 98 2nd ed. worked as the former should have.
  • Windows 2000 was great but had no support for running games.
  • XP solved that and made people leave Windows 98 (I deliberately left out the clusterf... Windows ME.).
  • Windows Vista sucked balls.
  • Windows 7 was what Vista should have been.
  • Windows 8? Metro on phones, yes! On desktop? No no no.
  • Windows 10 got Microsoft back on track again.

I thought the new upgrade scheme (2 editions per year) Microsoft introduced with Windows 10 would be like "every second release will suck" but it started to look like Microsoft were able to break the curse....

...and then Windows 11 happened.

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 6 points 1 year ago

casusally skipping millenium edition because most people opted to buy windows 2000, the enterprise server os instead.

Windows 2000 couldn't run games because it was based on Windows NT and the NT Kernel. ME was still based on DOS. XP frankensteined the NT Kernel and DOS to somehow make the most stable, longest running and best windows ever.

And 20 years later they're bleeding marketshare.

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[-] lelgenio@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey that's a similar setup to mine, except I have 6700XT, on ultra settings, worst case scenario I get ~60FPS, on average it's 80

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago

By the way, the "rendering at lower resolution and upscaling" thingy, is there a way to force AMD's version on any game in Linux? I want to play Satisfactory and got a 5700G, fat iGPU but only 2GB VRAM.

[-] cron@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

Forcing FSR1 is possible (and was even possible before it was on Windows), FSR2 is not.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks! FSR it is. Saved.

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[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

definitely believable

16gb ddr3 ram

ten year old i5

rx580 8gb

arch linux gnome desktop

standard prebuilt dell pc

have two of these machines built and operating in the house both are able to play modern games including Hogwarts Legacy low settings at 60fps no ray tracing

some games run fine with medium or high

some games such as Hogwarts Legacy and Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered require a per game specialized wine wrapper script that is usually already made by an awesome entity unless you go through the steam launcher and then it just plays like a steam deck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Deck

"Steam Deck runs SteamOS version 3, based on the Arch Linux operating system. While SteamOS had been previously developed for Steam Machines using Debian Linux, Valve stated that they wanted to use a rolling upgrade approach for the Deck's system software, a function Debian was not designed for but was a feature of Arch Linux. An application programming interface (API) specific for the Steam Deck is available to game developers, allowing a game to specify certain settings if it is being run on a Steam Deck compared to a normal computer. Within the Steam storefront, developers can populate a special file depot for their game with lower-resolution textures and other reduced elements to allow their game to perform better on the Steam Deck; Steam automatically detects and downloads the appropriate files for the system (whether on a computer or Steam Deck) when the user installs the game"

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Even Valve can't help but tell everyone that they run Arch.

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Why does the Nobara benchmark report as Windows 10 pro?

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

Wine always reports itself as some version of Windows. Mostly, it doesn't really matter.

[-] junezephier@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago

probably from the wine trick it uses or something, no?

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[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 year ago

There's no such thing as magic. Some computation is absolutely getting skipped.

[-] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Sure, but that's not necessarily a bad thing; if the Linux version is missing useful output that would be bad, but if the DX to Vulkan translation ironed out a performance regression, or the scheduler works better in this scenario, or filesystem access had issues with NTFS it could also cause performance differences in Linux favour.

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