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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 56 points 11 months ago (12 children)

She had so many chances to make this election easier. Could have had a Palestinian talk during the DNC, and that would have likely changed this story.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (29 children)

Angry with the Biden administration – and, by extension, Kamala Harris – for its support for Israel, Arab Americans may be willing to overlook Trump’s history of closeness with Israel’s hard-right leaders.

So, these individuals could be described as the common clay of the new West?

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

yeah man, denigrate them more, that'll surely get them on your side! maybe a touch more smug condescension? anything except engaging with their concerns, of course.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (45 children)

Okay, but, abandon her for whom exactly? Just not vote? Vote 3rd party? I am not going to say Harris is perfect, but this is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Third Party, tyically, that's what most anti-genocide groups are advocating for.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Many of the candidates from alternative parties are anti-genocide.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (91 children)

Oh they're really gonna love how Trump handles Arabs

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's like the trolley problem, except instead of the other track having fewer people, it has more, and it just loops back around to run over the people on the first track anyway. We should have sent the trolley on a completely different route decades ago.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Because Trump who literally said Muslims should wear a "Special ID at all times" back in 2015 is obviously gonna be much better....

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Read the article. Maybe half or more are voting third party, they hate trump and kamala.

The other, from one of the interviews, the last four years of Democrat led politics has literally been the worst in their lives for both themselves living in america, and for their friends and families who live in the middle east.

Assuming a democrat leader is best for everyone is part of the problem. There are groups of people who suffer under Democrat leadership, and ignoring them is just frustrating them.

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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This group is the single greatest gift to the 2024 trump presidency and he doesn’t know it yet!

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Cant blame them, Biden\Harris are literally sending Israel the bombs.

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[–] graeghos_714@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Both parties are beholden to Israel and the power of AIPAC

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Other way around. Both parties support Israel because Israel helps secure the Petro-Dollar, by which the US dominates the Global South with predatory IMF loans.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

And it's the cork on land migration out of Africa into West Asia and eventually Europe.

And it's strategically important for the Red Sea trade route connecting Asia to the Mediterranean (although they're having a little trouble with this one lol)

And it's the laboratory for surveillance and detainment and border walls, where they can live test technology and strategies that get exported to prisons and borders and cities around the West.

And it's a place for antisemitic governments to send all their Jewish citizens.

And, of course, there's a large apocalyptic cult of Christians that believe we need to immanentize the eschaton so Jesus can return.

Israel serves so many functions!

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (18 children)

Context:

  • I am not an american, so there may be some missing knowledge for me about the american electoral system.
  • I abhor Israel's genocide in Gaza, and I abhor the biden administration's support of (and Harris' seeming continued support of) the genocide.
  • My understanding is that Trump is just as, if not more supportive of the genocide in Gaza, and on top of this has his sights on doing some truly terrible things in the US re: minorities, trans rights, etc

So with that context, my question is thus: It seems clear that Trump wouldn't change anything about the genocide in Gaza, and that he would bring more evil than the current status quo. So if you're an american voter, you obviously can't let Trump get in. But, Harris is gross to vote for as well, even if its a "lesser of the two evils" thing. What do you do? As far as I understand its basically one or the other, you dont really have any third party to vote for right?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (11 children)

It's more of a difference in practical values. At what point does the "lesser evil" itself become intolerable evil? Some people insist that you should vote for Hitler over 101% Hitler, that there is no intolerable level as long as there is a miniscule difference. Others have firm red lines in the sand, like genocide, where they advocate for abandoning them and pushing as hard as you can, even advocating for moves outside the electoral system like revolution.

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