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[–] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 264 points 7 months ago (30 children)

You see...

It's okay when THEY do it.

It's not okay when YOU do it.

That's how they function.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 118 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Well yeah, as the owners they have the exclusive right to determine what's okay. They're just following the rules as they've been laid out by centuries of corporate lobbying for more exploitable copyright laws. Those are what we need to focus on if we want more fair use of intellectual property that the rights holder has already sufficiently profited from - the thing that such protections were initially meant to ensure to a much more reasonable extent.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You had me in the first half ngl (more like first sentence but close enough)

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But they DO have the exclusive right. People want to be told the world is different - that it's better - but if we want to change it we need to see it for what it is. If we say "They don't have the right!" before we've done the work necessary to strip them of the right, then we'll never even understand how to start fixing this broken system.

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[–] Bananobanza@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Well, you know, the games are theirs to begin with.

I see what you mean, and you are correct, but I think it's more about the games that are being emulated than emulation in itself right?

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 55 points 7 months ago (8 children)

It would be, if they didn't target the emulators and only targeted the roms/game data.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 85 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I mean...

All of those mini consoles (NES mini, SNES mini) are already SOCs with an emulator.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Corps are shameless. No amount of hypocrisy is enough to make them reconsider their evil.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Switch has a SNES emulator as well

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The 3ds was a full on emulation machine. Heck it started with the Wii!

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 14 points 7 months ago

I'd say it started on at least Nintendo 64. The original Japan-only Animal Crossing game for N64 had playable, emulated Famicom (NES) games. Nintendo even ran a special offer to get an N64 Controller Pak with Ice Climber pre-loaded which you could plug into your controller like a game cartridge and play inside Animal Crossing.

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[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 76 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (16 children)

Just for the record, this is exactly what any museum would do, because they're not going to actually run anything on the original hardware. Those systems are part of the collection, and it behooves a museum to not put any wear on them.

Also because emulators can be managed remotely.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago

Any other museum wouldn't be a hypocrite for doing so.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In other words, emulators are crucial for game preservation? This shows that Nintendo knows that, and when they say it's not the case, they're not simply wrong, they're lying.

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[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

That is highly depending on the type of Museum. Many Videogame and Computer Museums (at least in Germany) are showing the real Hardware running, some are even allowing the visitors to use and play at the old machines. And yes, they are often very used to repairing the hardware too.

I would expect from Nintendo that they would show and use real hardware in their museum, and not some emulators. Because I can see the games on an emulator at home (for example using my Switch Online or my SNES Classic), I don't need a museum for that experience.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This is a "Museum" run by Nintendo in Japan. Meaning they could have used or even created more original hardware to run the titles, but instead cut costs by using the same Emulators that they're hoping to take down.

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[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 71 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Eww extremely embarrassing that they used Windows.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 69 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I would not be at all surprised if the Switch NES and SNES emulators are running an open source emulator that they've tried to shut down.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Throwback to the NES Classic ROM having a ripper/uploader’s signature in the game code. Because Nintendo didn’t ever bother archiving their own games, and just downloaded ROMs from the same sites they were trying to shut down.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Nintendo: Emulation is illegal, criminal, and you should never ever do it. If you do, we will sue your ass, send the Pinks, and then shit fury on you!!!

Also Nintendo:


Needless to say, I will not be buying an alarm clock today.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That's not at all Nintendo's philosophy.

They literally included emulation starting with the wii

So it is more of a rules for thee but not for me situation. Not you should never ever do it but you should only do it on our hardware with our emulators

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[–] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I was joking when in a previous post about the museum I said it better not run on any emulators..

So.. Why aren't they selling said emulators and roms? I ain't gonna travel half the world to play one in an overpriced museum.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Um... they are, and have been for almost 20 years, since the Wii. Or the N64 depending on how you look at it.

What did you think Virtual Console was? How about the NES and SNES mini? What about the "Nintendo Game Pass" or whatever they're calling it?

Animal Crossing's original Japan release had NES games in it, and so did the GC rerelease/psuedosequel we got internationally too.


Even better: During the Wii era, the Wiis at the Nintendo Store in New York City ran official Nintendo made software to load games off a connected hard drive, so you could play multiple of their new releases without workers having to switch discs.


It has always been about attempts to prevent piracy and keep control over how people access their games for Nintendo, and they are roughly 10 years behind the curve on modern tech trends.

Either stop supporting them or get used to it.

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[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I can see Nintendo shutting down his own museum for piratery.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

if its under GPL couldn't they be forced to disclose the source code?

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Only if they made modifications

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago

So you admit that emulation is the best way to preserve old forms of interactive media?

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the emulator maker should sue

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But they own it. I thought even I could download a ROM if I have the actual game no?

[–] RoosterBoy@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

No, at least in the US, you can only back up your own ROM if you own the game, not download someone else's backup. The real problem here is that Nintendo's (idiotic) stance is ALL emulation/backups are piracy and here they are being hypocrites about it.

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