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The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] Fester@lemm.ee 166 points 1 month ago

It sued itself in its confusion!

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago

This isn't very effective.

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 month ago

LMAO. Fuck Nintendo and the "do as I say not as I do" BS.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 27 points 1 month ago

Emulation is perfectly legal if you own the game.

[-] priapus@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And yet Nintendo files bogus copyright claims against emulators.

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[-] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago

~~do as I say not as I do~~

Nintendo: Money! Fuck everything else.

All other attributes derive from that.

[-] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

This really isn't that surprising. They used ROMs for the classic games in Animal Crossing. They even had evidence it was from a release group, and not Nintendo's own copies

I really don't understand why this is embarrassing. I don't know the exact setup they have going on. Is it like a kiosk where people can play classic games, or is it a monitor just displaying them? They have their own emulator, Canoe, that they used for the SNES Classic. I don't remember the name of the NES one

Weren't at least some of the games in the Super Mario Collection ROMs? I guess I can see why people would expect a direct port from the company that created it, or original hardware running the original games, but it isn't like Nintendo doesn't already have a track record for this sort of thing

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 1 month ago

It's embarrassing because of how extremely litigious Nintendo is, and that they are themselves profiting using other people's work (emulators and/or ROMs acquired from the internet), the exact thing they ruin lives over.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

I would have thought its embarrasing that they couldnt provide real hardware for an official museum

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[-] bender223@lemmy.today 15 points 1 month ago

Someone call Alanis Morisette 🤣

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

No way

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 49 points 1 month ago

Their NES and SNES mini consoles were also just off the shelf ARM SBCs running emulators. If I recall correctly people even found signatures of release groups in some of the ROMs.

[-] SitD@lemy.lol 16 points 1 month ago

technicians just know what's good. unfortunately every company becomes too big for its own good and inspirationless ghouls take over 😔 the palworld thing also just shows they could be so successful if they take off the shackles and make a good game, but now they want to shackle everyone else so no one can have good games

[-] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

They are at least Nintendo's own in-house emulators. I don't recall the situation with the Classic systems ROMs, but Animal Crossing had the release group signatures if I'm not mistaken. They've been pulling this garbage for a long time

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 7 points 1 month ago

The nes roms in animal crossing for N64 had the header for the ines emulator. Now, a few years before Nintendo hired a guy who worked on the audio driver for ines, and that tomohiro is credited with lots of emu projects for Nintendo, so it's not impossible that they reused that header idea. In the gigaleak there's a tool that adds the ines header to clean roms.

This said, it's also not impossible that they're taking a peek in other OSS emulators source code, i recall that luigiblood (a guy obsessed in decompiling Nintendo emulators) found traces of 64dd emulator code from pj64 in some Nintendo product, which then was silently removed after he tweeted about that

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[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Also the Virtual Console releases, and things like the demo games in Smash Bros. brawl,

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 11 points 1 month ago

This means you can find the pc and get THEIR OWN EMULATOR, make it open source and fuck them royally.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

You think they wrote their own emulator instead of just taking one of the free ones on the internet (who they will likely sue later). That's cute.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 22 points 1 month ago

Well yes, yes they did. It is called Canoe and is for example running inside the SNES Classic Mini. And that is not the only emulator they wrote. Writing an emulator is not some obscure magic, and it is way easier if you own all the schematics and other Information used to build the original hardware.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

That's not how any of that works

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[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Implying they have their own emulator and it's not just running retroarch or something

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 5 points 1 month ago

If they would do that it would be very useful in court.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

It's not illegal for Nintendo to run retroarch.

[-] BonerMan@ani.social 7 points 1 month ago

Its not illegal for anyone else either, but them running such software for profit might be a licensing issue depending on the exact version they use.

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

What's so embarrassing? Emulation for backward compatibility is done all the times

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 21 points 1 month ago

I guess people are assuming it runs whatever third party emulator. It was at least how I first imagined it.

If that's the case, it's in my opinion very embarrassing: attempting to profit from stuff made by the community they act extremely hostile towards.

If not, I guess it's just mildly embarrassing that they have a poorly concealed windows machine taking away from the immersion.

[-] greenacres3233@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

I read through the article, only speculation but since the sound is without a doubt the USB being disconnected then it's pretty obvious an Windows machine running a rom.

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well yeah, but it might as well be their own in-house emulator.

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[-] BigBootyBoy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Because Nintendo really really hates people who emulate their games

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[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 9 points 1 month ago

It would be interesting to plug an usb rubber duckie to own that station and dump all the disk somewhere

[-] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago

how did lemmy piracy suddenly turn to defending nintendo...

nintendo pulls rom sites down, sure - it's their shit (https://www.pcworld.com/article/402404/nintendo-suit-rom-emulation-game-preservation.html)

Nintendo is using roms from these sites to sell to consumers within their own "ecosystem" (https://www.eurogamer.net/did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us)

Not even close to all of nintendos titles are avaliable on their online stores, and the mini-snes or whatever did not have even close to all their titles.

point is. Nintendo is NOT preserving their own games. And they sue anyone doing anything like preserving it for the public.

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[-] Xianshi@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck nintendo

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