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Your dog wants love and attention, not distractions. That may change a bit as they get older but some dogs are just this way.
PlasmaDistortion is right. Unfortunately your responding to bad behavior with attention is training your pooch to behave badly.
You have to find a humane way to respond a way that the dog dislikes.
For my dog it is simply withdrawing all attention. Pretend she doesn't exist until the behavior corrects. My dog was confused at first and tried harder so I get went about my day like she didnt exist. Finally she moped and laid on the floor so I pet her and said good girl and gave her some cuddles.
Now when she acts out or gets rough I just have to drop my shoulders and look ahead and she calms down pretty quick.
You have to find a humane way to respond a way that the dog dislikes.
Such as? Potential future dog owner here
Immediately and firmly say NO, BAD DOG, while holding eye contact and pointing at them. Then move on. The key is that you have to do it every single time. Dogs need total consistency or they get confused, or try to push the boundaries. The more intelligent the dog, the more important discipline is. But don't turn any discipline into an ongoing punishment. Sensitive dogs get their feelings hurt really easily if you continue shaming them. Say no immediately until you see it had an effect, then redirect them to positive behavior and praise them. They respond a lot better to praise than punishment.
The cool thing is that the more intelligent the dog is, the fewer times you need to praise the right behavior before they learn whatever you're trying to teach them. Also, sensitive dogs respond really well to praise. Being told they're good absolutely makes their days. My little Pomchi learned tricks after about 5 repetitions, and retained them for years, even without doing them again. Some dogs are crazy intelligent.
I have no idea how to give her love and attention other than talking to her constantly. She doesn't like cuddles or too many pets. She sometimes lets me brush her without issue. She's really weird lol. Maybe just hanging out on the floor with her would work? She despises sitting in my recliner with me.
Does she have toys? What about walks?
She has so many toys lol. She gets lots of outside time in the yard with her tie out. I haven't been taking her or my beagle to the park because they have been picking up parasites left and right and I need to get it all straightened out before I'll be comfortable taking them places where other dogs have been. They're on medicine for it and it seems to be working pretty well, but their digestion is wrecked. They get probiotics and special meals. My vet said it may take a while for them to get back to normal. My beagle also just got diagnosed with active lyme and started antibiotics for it, which isn't going to help his belly any.
I try to make their toys new and interesting. I made one of their balls into a tetherball by attaching it to a doorknob with some string The dogs go to it occasionally lol.
She needs more walks outside into interesting places where she can see new things and smells etc. The best way to deal with this is tiring her out with significant physical activity. Swimming is good and she should like that for her breed. Just being tied on a lead all day by herself in the same old yard is not enough. They don’t need to go to an actual dog park, but they need real walks!!
Also, golden doodles are known to be stubborn idiots.
Not park time or off leash time, your dog needs leashed walking through the neighborhood with you. Walk circles around a nearby school or weave through the streets and do "focus" training with her to bond.
We had a dog that liked balls, but when we put a ball inside a sock, he went absolutely bananas. He flipped that thing around the house and yard for hours! Then he carried it off to his bed and slept with it. Try putting a tennis ball inside of a sock.
That's a great idea! My dogs love chomping on plastic, so I can put water bottles and grocery bags in a sock as well.
A tired dog is a happy dog. I would recommend a VERY long walk or a trip to the dog park when you get home from work. Being kenneled all day and night with a brief respite while you are home and awake will lead to some serious pent-up energy, especially in puppies. We have two large dogs we’ve had since puppies and avoided rampant destruction by having a long yard for them to play in, but it requires us to be out there with them playing fetch and running them silly every day when we get home and again before bed. If we don’t, they just sit around outside begging to come in because ultimately they want to be around us.
One of our dogs growing up (golden retriever), would run laps around the house for hours. He would also play fetch, but he would bring a ball back within about 20 feet of you before dancing around in a circle. The only way to get him to drop the ball was to have a second ball ready to go when he got back wit the first one. He would also try to fit as many tennis balls in his mouth as possible, saw him get 3 in successfully once. He was also terrified of floor vents and the downstairs bathroom. He loved to carry socks around, the dirtier the better. He never chewed them, just carried them around in his mouth.
Loved that derpy dog.
I give my dogs outside time a lot. We go out immediately after I get home and only come in when they decide they want dinner. An hour later, it's back outside to play. I don't have a fenced yard yet, but I do have tie outs that they go on. I'm hoping to get my yard fenced within a year.
Going outside into the backyard every day for hours isn’t enough, at least not for her breed - your older beagle probably cares less. Dogs need actual walks, out to new places. Big hour long ones.
If she's just chained to a dog run, then she's probably just going to sit around outside. She needs both physical and mental stimulation. Oh, get her a puzzle feeder, and a puzzle treat dispenser. Get one for your beagle too so you don't need to deal with the theft issue. Those are good for mental stimulation.
I'll have to figure out how to get the beagle from getting both puzzle things. May have to just sit between them
You need to exercise her before you try to get her attention. Those dogs have absolutely insane amounts of energy. Think about trying to get the attention of someone who just did 5 lines of pure Columbian cocaine, that's what life is like for your puppy. Get a little backpack for her and put a couple of water bottles in it. Then go play catch at the park for 30-40 minutes. Or go for a run. Or put some roller blades on and let her pull you around (with a proper harness, not a collar). After one or more of those activities is the proper time to train her.
Have you considered separating the beagle and her while she gets to chew on a flavorful bone? Also, discipline the beagle. He needs to understand that he can't just steal things from her. This isn't anthropomorphism, dogs can learn not to steal from each other. Regardless, she should get some time to chew without worrying about defending herself. Chewing is a natural instinct for dogs, and it's important they can satisfy that urge.
Have you tried the crinkle toys? One of our dogs loved the crinkle toys, and the other loved the squeaker toys.
Golden retrievers, and Golden Doodles are pretty insane when they're young. It takes a lot of work to exercise and train them. The good news is that they settle down a lot in a year or two, and then they're a lot easier to deal with. Despite the saying, you can reach an old dog new tricks, so there's still time for training after she grows up a little.
I plan on breaking out a kiddie pool tonight and seeing if she'll swim. I am also going to take her to the park when it cools off a bit. This week is going to be hot.
My dogs LOVE crinkle toys.
Do you have any suggestions on how to get my beagle to share bones?
The pool is a great idea! Most Doodles love water.
We trained our domineering dog not to steal from our smaller dog by sitting between them when they both got bones. When he would try to approach her we would push him back, point at his nose, and firmly say NO. Then we'd redirect him back to his bone, giving him lots of praise. As he started figuring it out we could just say his name in a scolding tone and he'd slink back over to his bone. Eventually he figured it out, and would just look longingly at her bone, despite having the same bone himself. Silly dog!
I will have to try that. I had to do the same thing you did with when teaching them that they each have a good bowl and they need to stay at that bowl to eat. They didn't literally fight over food though. They just nudged each other away to get at the other's bowl.
Oh, then he's already gone through it once and should pick up on what you're telling him pretty quickly. Best of luck! Well trained dogs are awesome dogs. The doodle will be a wild woman for awhile, but then she'll settle down a bit.
Thank you! My beagle was an absolute madlad for the longest time. Once his anxiety got better, he calmed down a lot. He's calmed down even more since I got the puppy. She wears him out so much lol.
Our boy was a total mutt who pretended to be really chill when we went to adopt him. He was chill for the first day and half at home too. But then he decided he'd fooled us enough and turned on his full crazy. He was completely untrainable for the first two years of his life, unless he was exhausted. So I'd go play catch with him using a ball launcher for an hour, then go home and work on stuff like sit and stay. He ended up being the most awesome dog ever once he got a little older. He pretty much understood plain English, and was very expressive and communicative. He was totally content with laying around and cuddling, but as soon as you said "let's go", it was like a switch, instant unlimited energy. He passed away a few months ago, but he lived a wonderful life, full of love and adventure.
I’m somewhat surprised that no one has given you this answer yet, but it is the most effective one I know, from raising tens of dogs: Your dog needs more exercise; take her for a run or walk when she starts being stubborn. A well exercised dog is a compliant dog that learns and obeys.
She and the beagle get lots of outsider time on their tie outs and play with each other super hard like 3 times a day. I can't really take them on walks in the park because they've been picking up parasites and I'm struggling to get that under control. I'm not comfortable taking them to places other dogs have been until their issues have been handled. My beagle also just got diagnosed with active Lyme disease, so we are dealing with that now. :/
To help stimulate our dog when she was older, I got a kiddie pool and a several packs of plastic balls, like for a kid's ball pit. Than hid treats in the pit for her to search. She loved it and it would keep her entertained even after all the snacks were found.
That's an amazing idea omg.
Reward her with head pats and play if that’s what she’s into. Use classical conditioning to associate certain words with those rewards.
As for how to stimulate her, play with her. Wrestle and run around with her.
How many kilometers (or else measured in time) do you walk together every day?
We don't currently go on walks due to parasites, but she and my beagle play outside for at least 2 hours a night and inside for at least another 2. She's not getting mileage, but does laps around the house and the yard and wrestles with the beqgle
She needs the mileage. Really truly needs it. Take her somewhere walking where there aren’t other dogs as soon as your vet clears it. If your vet has cleared it already your own worry is not worth depriving her of this
My vet said that after her next dose of medicine, she should be good to go. She gets that in a few days. I'll definitely take her somewhere nice to walk.
The thing that saved my sanity when my hyper pit bull was that age was a laser pointer. Id stand in the backyard in the evening and he would chase it for like 60 minutes or more until he couldnt move his body.
Oh that's a good idea!
You can also get automatic ball-throwers that they can learn to load themselves. She sounds bright enough to learn how to use one. But it depends how much she needs you to be present for playtime. And how much she likes chasing a ball, of course.
If she likes being outside, and can't get up to too much mischief there, you could consider a dog flap. Not cheap if you also need it to be secure against burglars. But if she can take herself outside for the kind of mischief that gets her praise and attention, it might help.
I plan on getting one of those ball thrower things once my yard is fenced in. I don't want a dog flap because I am afraid the gang of raccoons that lives nearby will get into my house. The fuckers already jumped me once on my porch. I don't want them getting inside lol.
I would not recommend using a laser pointer with dogs, it can end up being a form of anxiety for dogs.
Here is one, of many, articles that talks about laser pointers being bad for dogs. https://tinyurl.com/3d6xv7ha
Oh shit. Thanks for the heads up.
Teach them to play tug. Here is an excellent video showing how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Ln7fMUVE8 I use a toy that’s a soft rubber ball with a rope tied through it. (Sorry can’t find where to get it a trainer gave it to me). Learning this game also becomes a training tool, getting the toy becomes a huge reward.
Yeah, that's kinda what happens with GDs. My shrink has one that's 2yo that still does that stuff despite a ton of training and such. They eventually had to resort to a shock collar which kinda works for some things like barking, but she'll still destroy stuff. .
If you have a fenced in back yard, I'd put her out there for a few hours to see if that helps things. Does she play fetch, because if so you can get an automatic ball launcher that they can drop the balls into. That was my suggestion that my shrink is trying out now.
But, in all honesty, every single person I've met who has a GD has deeply regretted their decision.
Oh wow that's very extreme. Shock collars are terrible when the shock setting is what is used. I've seen people use the collars that make a beep and use that for training, but I am not one for that either. I tried the beep with my beagle and he didn't care.
My yard isn't fenced, but I plan on getting it fenced as soon as I can. Both my goldendoodle and beagle will benefit greatly from it. They have nice and sturdy tie outs right now, but those only let them do so much playing outside.
I do not regret my decision to get her or my beagle despite my goldendoodle being a menace andy beagle being the loudest and neediest creature on the face of the planet. They're my babies. I'm never having human children, so my dogs and other critters (2 cats and 11 ducks) are my kids.
Yeah, I definitely forgot to mention that they haven't had to use the shock feature yet. That's my bad.
I'm glad they haven't used that feature. The beep feature is honestly not that bad in my opinion of used as a kind of command. Idk what word would work best. My mom used the beep function with her great Dane/german shepherd to get her attention when she wouldn't recall. It'd get her to focus enough to listen to commands. My mom didn't even have to use it for more than 3 months.
E-collars can be used but only as part of a specific training regimen, and only on lowest setting the dog responds to. They shouldn't just be left on all the time and used whenever the dog is doing something bad. Positive reinforcement works way better than negative reinforcement, but sometimes a bit of negative is needed along with the positive.
The only negative stuff I do is tell my dogs no in a stern voice. My beagle has bad anxiety and was clearly abused in the past, so I don't want him to regress to the state he was in when I got him. That wouldn't be good for me or the rest of my critters.
That's totally reasonable. Negative reinforcement is almost never necessary. I was just pointing out that it can be helpful if used sparingly. Just be aware though, attention is reinforcement, so if you are ignoring your dog when it wants attention, then it acts out and damages something, then you come over to scold it, your dog has learned that acting out will get your attention.
As a dog trainer I worked with previously put it: "the opposite of 'reward' is not 'punishment', it is 'no reward'"
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