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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

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[-] PanArab@lemm.ee -3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Her stance is practically indistinguishable from Trump's and enables Israel to continue the genocide.

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

Because they’re willing to chop off their nose to spite their face, as the saying goes. Only in doing so they’re going to screw over the rest of us and apparently they don’t care.

Harris is the only sane choice.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It feels like watching Trump burn the middle east to the ground instead of Harris would be cold comfort for anyone proud of not actively voting for a different genocide abetting candidate. There is no anti-genocide candidate, sadly, but one party has at least the shadow of a conscience that can be pressured later.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago

The vote should be for someone who can get enough electoral college votes to win in the first place, and from there the one who is more likely to listen to public pressure, as well as the same for any congressional seats on the ballot. And probably not vote for the one who is threatening to send the military after those who disagree with them.

Which as a non-American seems to be Harris, right?

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago

Yes, Harris is the only realistic option. Anyone voting for Trump is a Nazi in the most literal sense of the word.

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[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 18 points 1 day ago

Losing the election is the only kind of accountability Harris and the Democrats are likely to face for their part in the genocide. Otherwise, what incentive is there for either party to ever oppose it? What message would Americans be sending to the world that we would keep in office someone who's been actively supporting a genocide?

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 14 points 1 day ago

What message would we be sending if our replacement for them is a guy that wants Isreal to "finish the job" with it? Killing fewer people matters more than accountability

[-] small44@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

There is not a big difference between one who say finish the job and one who doesn't say it but give every resources for Israel to finish the job

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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 day ago

This isnt the first time the whole lesser of two evil bs has been done in an American election. It happens everytime. Biden said hey i may suck but atleast i wont put immigrant kids in cages! Then he kept the kids in cages and now democrats run on mass deportation policies 4 years later. Trump might say worse things but the actual effects of him being in office wont really be different then if Harris wins. If anything Harris winning will show them that being pro-genocide worked and theyll be pro even more genocide going forward.

Its just not an accurate assessment to say "Well Harris is slightly better so shouldnt the choice for her be obvious?" Because she isnt better. She just puts a better face on the exact same genocidal policies. The only difference is that Trump doesnt pretend like he feels bad about it when gazan children are slaughtered and openly admits he is a maniac. Biden publically tells Israel dont do this thing then they do it anyway and the media plays it off like Biden is just incompetent and cant stop it. But the reality is its all fake. Hes saying not to do it publically then privately green lighting whatever they want to do. They arent going against him at all hes just putting on an act for people like you. Its what the entire "International Law" that applies to the enemies of the US Empire but never applies to the US or its allies has always been. An act put on by liberals to pretend they arent evil so people who have empathy will still buy in to the system.

There is no such thing as Democracy in the US. As someone more clever than me once said:

"America only has 1 political party but in classic American opulence they have 2 of them."

The only reason America has election is to give the illusion of consent to the governance of their population. The whole "We the People" thing is nonsense and not real. Its a Myth just like the American Dream is a Myth. Work hard and youll make it! Its all bullshit and it always has been. Vote, dont vote, it doesnt matter. The Empire will still demand blood.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This isnt the first time the whole lesser of two evil bs has been done in an American election. It happens everytime.

Every election that I can remember, and I can remember as far back as Carter vs Reagan.

[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 day ago

and the amazing part is both the parties do it lol. Kamala is an evil communist whose gonna take your guns and kill babies if your a Republican. And Trump is a dictator lover who is gonna overthrow democracy if your a democrat. Its funny how 2 people who are ideologically alligned in almost every way possible are framed as being the opposite end of the political spectrum in US politics.

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