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If Harris loses, expect Democrats to move right
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If Harris wins, expect Democrats to move right
If it's a tie? Believe it or not move to the right
Undercooked fish?... straight move to the right.
I just expect the world to be constantly moving to the right at this point.
There's a new pink tide struggling to be born in Latin America right now and China continues its meteoric rise as not only a superpower, but possibly dethroning US hegemony. In addition, the Axis of resistance remains defiant against the settler-colonial entity known as Israel.
It's not all bad.
It just seems that way from where I’m standing, but I guess I only see the western world.
We can't afford to stay neutral on a moving train.
Harris is running as a moderate Republican.
Liz Cheney gets to speak at her events, Muslim Democrats get escorted out by security and threatened with arrest.
You appear to blatantly not know the difference between democrats and republicans in my country. You'd be wise to sit this topic out in the future.
I'm from Iowa.
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats will merely watch while Republicans kill me.
Their corporate overlords have been moving them right for decades already. This is old news.
Absolutely.
Really the only difference between the two factions of the US one-party state, is that one is honest about their belief that a few capitalists should own the country and everyone else can starve, and the other is better at PR. Both Obama and Biden's cabinet were hand-picked by citibank for example, and both parties staunchly support genocide, even though the democrats occasionally try to pander to the left on it.
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It's been happening my entire life.
Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/wJvMN
If she wins, the Dems have been given license to genocide, which is pretty far to the right.
running as a moderate
Lmao, genocide is "moderate"?
Blaming progressives for Harris' defeat would be good for a "progressive" voting bloc. The only leverage a voting bloc could ever hope to have is a credible threat to withhold a vote. Usually, those on the US "left" are not perceived as credibky threatening to withhold their vote and they can be safely ignored.
Of course voting is itself limited. If you want to develop political power for the good of humanity you need to do more than think about voting and stay far away from the Democratic Party.
It's irrelevant since the DNC has total control over which candidate percolates to any position. In other words, the DNC ensures that any "threat" is already nipped before voters have any say at all.
Look at 2016: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz sabotaged Bernie Sanders' campaign in broad daylight and then flounced directly to the Hillary Clinton campaign to hide under her skirt. Total fucking impunity.
I'm glad Millennials and younger people are aware of how the machinations really work, but it's so, so disappointing to realize how many Democrats are really just 90s era Republicans.
Look at this election. Where the fuck did the democratic primary go?
President Biden unilaterally removed thet option by refusing to get with the program, either by design or unimpeded ego, until the 11th hour had passed, and VP Harris was in by default.
Appalled? Yes. We should be.
Oh yes, the Democratic Party is an antidemocratic capitalist party that will fight democratization to its death. There is actually an even better example, which is lefties taking over the party in Nevada via their own official process, simply organizing people to jump through the hoops Dems had set up. In response, the Dems defunded the party and built shadow campaigns with the money, then changed its rules so they could remove the lefties.
At the same time, Americans only understand politics in terms of electoralism. So the fact that they are doing the exact opposite of what a voting block should be doing to establish itself short circuits the pro-genocide "but actually it's smart to vote blue no matter who" self-defeating logic.
This story sounds familiar but I'm struggling to remember when it happened? Was this a 2020 thing?
Yes! Thisis from when there was a primary fight for Bernie and there were a lot of new people trying to figure out how things work and organize. The DSA in the state did a decent job organizing people to follow the primary process to gain seats exactly by the rules. Dems fought them for years and years, making it very clear that there is no space in the party for any left contingent with any influence. The first thing they did was mass quit and then take/hide the funds. This was from the "unity" group in the state, too, lmao.
I had to go back and google a bit to find examples as I followed this in real time, more or less. I'm sure there are better ones. But here are some examples.
An article from 2021 talking about how the bureaucrats in the party mass-quit: https://theintercept.com/2021/03/08/nevada-democratic-party-dsa/
And a liberal follow-up of how the party reasserted itself two years later: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/democratic-socialists-swept-power-nevada-judith-whitmer-rcna72905
And a neo-Trotskyist take that from both periods: https://socialistcall.com/2021/04/24/dsa-democratic-party-nevada-takeover/ and https://socialistcall.com/2023/08/02/independent-party-dsa-convention-proposal/ . If you're not used to neo-Trotskyists, one of the things they love to do is write long essays and what "should be done" without funneling frustration into practical work. But they do have okay insider info sometimes.
And more neo-Trotskyists lol sorry for listing so many, other groups with better ideas are generally dismissive of the attempt and don't write long-winded articles on it like Trots do: https://www.socialistalternative.org/2023/06/29/pulling-out-the-rug-what-happened-after-dsa-and-bernie-supporters-took-over-the-nevada-democratic-party/
It's an important lesson that unfortunately must be taught over and over again, viscerally, for people to actually believe it: liberals will fight the left far harder than they will fight overt reactionaries.
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This is why I feel we need the republicans to fail so badley they become irrelevant. We need to make it clear that extreme right ideology is a death sentence to a party.
We don't need to wait for Republicans to not exist to get representation in government. With state level electoral reform, people would ve be free to vote for those who best represent their interests secure in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against those they don't want in office.
Making the rightmost party more viable does tend to do that
My boy Bernie is still ticking... If only we could get him in that oval office. We had a shot, and we tried.
They already have, and by a lot, this election cycle.
Biden won by running more left than he was. Even if you think entire public is behind diminishing Russia and China, just because there's a bipartisan consensus for it, the economic damage caused by Ukraine war and lying about the causes of the economic damage is a certain weight on DNC. The pure demonic evil of neocon empire, but no one talking about it, still finds its way into brainless voters' bones.
Winner will be based on turnout. Enthusiasm and hope gets missed when DNC feels like a fundraising organization that got its dream opponent, and still failed to run away with the election. The "more right" solution is just certain collapse of US and any faith in democracy or zionist media that genuinely favours the most zionist candidate, when genocide is so easily at reach.
Why would they draw the wrong conclusion?
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