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[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 230 points 1 year ago

Every time I see an experiment like this it’s wildly successful and then never made into any kind of law or permanent social program.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 127 points 1 year ago

Simply put, a lot of people hate socialism aka "I'm paying so you can get something for free". I'm all for it.

My 73 year old father supports Trump (not one of the crazy people, just misguided) and hates Biden. He said one of the biggest things that Biden did that pissed him off was student loan forgiveness because my dad said he had to work 3 jobs in the early 70s to put himself through college (which he dropped out of and went into the electrical trade), so everyone else should have to struggle like he did, regardless of the fact that college cost him like $2,000 a semester and it costs like $12-15 grand now, assuming you're not living on campus.

[-] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 141 points 1 year ago

That’s such a sad argument. I heard a great counter to that line. Imagine we discovered a cure for cancer. This line of reasoning would say “well my mom suffered and died of cancer so why should others get a cure?”

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

My mom’s ghost would slap me so hard if I said that

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[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

It most certainly did not cost him $2000 per semester in the early 70s. It cost about $2000 for a full year at a private university. Around $500 if he went to a public school.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp

And that's in 2007 money! $500 in 2007 converted to the early 70s is $90 to $100. Minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, so he would have to work 2 weeks at minimum wage to afford public school. 7 weeks for private school.

What a burden! He might have to give up part of his summer!

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[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I hate that THAT is the argument against loan forgiveness. No one is making the actual argument - that this doesn't fix the systemic issues that caused the debt in the first place and will actually make it worse for future generations.

Student loan reform is what we need. Loan forgiveness without reform will cause tuition prices to increase for future generations.

It's millenials doing a "fuck you, gen z, I got mine" and we should be better than that.

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[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The sad truth is current capitalism would ruin it.

If you have a whole city UBI then rent and prices would immediately inflate to siphon that away.

You'd need robust price laws beforehand, and that's unpopular. Otherwise it's just a tax-to-overlords pipeline

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Funny how capitalism seems to always stand in the way of doing anything objectively good. I guess the homeless will just have to hold on until we figure out how to do welfare in a capitalist economy.

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[-] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago

Similarly, Colorado had a program to give out free birth control and it reduced abortions by like 30%. But Republicans shut the program down because it isn't about saving babies, it's about controlling women.

[-] Zealousideal_Fox900@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah if it was possible they would have brought womens rights back to the 1930's if they could.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That is completely ridiculous. Republicans have no interest in bringing civil rights back to the 1930's.

Their goal is the 1830's.

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[-] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago

CAN YOU IMAGINE? HAVING A BASIC INCOME CAUSED PEOPLE TO GET HOUSING?????

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

Imagine that! Actually having money allowing homeless people to get a home and increase their chances of going out and actually getting a job so they can keep their quality of life up from being homeless!

Who could have ever guessed that people with homes are more likely to try and get jobs to keep their homes? /s

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

getting a job so they can keep their quality of life up from being homeless!

And paying taxes while having that job. So even from a cold hearted financial perspective, this might be one of the cheapest ways to deal with the problem

[-] Pogbom@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is what the "social security is communism!" crowd just just doesn't get. Investing a tiny amount up front actually makes you money (or at least saves you exponentially more later). And hey, people get to not be homeless at the same time!

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[-] Chunk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I read a lot about this and I have a friend who does social work with homeless people.

There are so many different situations for homeless people. The ones who can better their situation with $1k/mo are truly down on their luck. They need a boost and they can get back on their feet. These are the "invisible homeless" because they are generally ashamed of their situation.

Then you have crackheads. The money won't help them.

Then you have the mentally ill. They need medical treatment. Cash is less important.

Finally, you have people who have given up. They don't want to leave their tent. They've been homeless so long it's their life. They prefer it. It's familiar. I don't know how money affects this situation.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

i honestly just hate reading stuff like this; the study is always a glowing success but we never ever do anything with the results

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I swear there has been a big uptick on the other site of videos depicting and celebrating the brutalization of shoplifters.

I think people are increasingly inclined to just hate poor people.

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[-] Nahvi@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is not a UBI Universal Basic Income; this is a CBI Conditional Basic Income. The conditions are currently being selected and being homeless.

Also this program basically already exists. It is just TANF selected for homelessness instead low-income families with children.

Edit: Universal not Unconditional

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[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Yet anyone in a position of authority will still parrot giving ppl money will make them lazy

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[-] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

Great that it worked and all, but how are we supposed to punish the poor if we just give them money?

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Or use them as a political demon to rally our base?

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Couple UBI with various social services made easily available--homelessness/poverty can be stricken a devastating blow. Western economies shouldn't even have the amount of poverty that they do. They're in a position to completely transform that if they wished.

There are so many countries, like the aforementioned United States, where astronomical government spending can be cut and used for tending to citizen health and stability. The billions upon billions upon billions of dollars spent on things that ultimately don't matter...

😤🤯😖😵

I read far too much fiction which builds hope in the kinds of society that we can become. But each time I close those books, I'm reminded of why reality hurts so much. If only those with power truly cared about what really matters. Life is so short and this is how we spend it. 😭

Ack!

No... I'll continue hoping. It's my nature. There are those few who keep trying. They press in. And historically, things are better for human kind. I just which I could have lived through the best of it.

[-] Harpsist@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

This is consistent with what they were finding up in Ontario with their basic income pilot before their leader decided - with zero evidence or consequences - to eliminate the program illegally against contract and ethics.

People stepping out of poverty and able to give back to the community.

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[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Another study, another proposed policy we'll never see

[-] Chunk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's nice that homeless people were able to enjoy a significantly higher quality of life but inflation made my latte $7 so I don't think we should be giving away free handouts.

/s

I put that /s because you ravenous Lemmy commies can't read sarcasm even if it was written by Marx. I'm onto you guys 😉

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm glad they are getting that money (or were?), but the fucked up thing is knowing that's literally more than I get in a month working 30 hours a week of the hardest job I've had in 15 years. 🙃

I'm betting the two people who downvoted me would happily tell me to just get a better job. 😂

[-] indepndnt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I wish you got that money too.

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 14 points 1 year ago

Turns out that when human beings give eachother a break, good things happen.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Those who received $500 a month or more had seen the biggest gains.

They only checked at the 6 month mark. I'd be interested to see what happens at the end of the 1 year period. The goal would be independence.

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