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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 208 points 2 years ago (13 children)
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[–] oldGregg@lemm.ee 153 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The bottom picture isn't accurate, I live on a reservation that isn't listed.

If there's one mistake I notice immediately there's definitely more.

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

Additionally, most of Oklahoma is still various reservation lands. That was a recent court ruling, so I suspect this is a few years old.

[–] BingoBangoBongo@midwest.social 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's a ton missing. The point still stands, but the bottom map is more like "places that are 70%+" indigenous people, rather than a comprehensive list. Is mislabeled to make a point, which is a stupid thing to do.

[–] rock_hand@lemmy.world 125 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My favorite part is not being able to read the font whatsoever.

[–] Duranie@lemmy.film 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Pretty sure this is saved from an attachment from a forwarded email of a scan of a photo copy of a mimeograph.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

Im gonna fax this to my group chat

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unironcally it looks like a picture from a fifth grade social studies book

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

That the teacher photocopied 47 times and handed out as homework.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's ok, this map of native American lands is definitely outdated. The Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) lands are much smaller than it should be. As that's the only tribal name I can actually read, I imagine it's a similar story for the other tribes.

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] tugash@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

How's the genocide of a whole continent "average history"? The magnitude of destruction in the Americas is not common and this downplay of a continent-wide genocide is annoying.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Because there are other examples of continent wide genocide.

Humans are the fucking worst and it isn't unique to one area

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[–] Malek061@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The Mongols genocided two continents and a sub continent.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Never forget? In some states it's downright illegal to teach kids that complex, sophisticated and civilized societies existed here before white people showed up.

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fair point, but not really a meme.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is probably the third meme in two days where the top comment says it's not a meme.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago

Because they are not a meme

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

But you and I did NOT. I see a lot of people online who can't make the distinction.

EDIT: Thanks for replies, all. Some good conversation here

[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Of course I’m gonna assume good faith from you here, but I feel like some people boil down issues like this to “well I mean I didn’t do it so stop complaining”, and that’s wildly reductive and irresponsible at minimum.

Arguing the situation in this way sidesteps the uncomfortable and inconvenient reality that the United States is yet still occupying native land, whether it be Hawai’i, Alaska, or the contiguous territories. Yes it’s entirely possible that mine or your ancestors didn’t perpetuate these things as immigration is and has always been ongoing, but the point everyone misses is that we are still here.

I couldn’t possibly imagine belittling natives for acknowledging the fact that their land was taken from them by force. Some real colonialist shit.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I feel you, and also acknowledge it is a hairy subject on a grand scale.

I also try to frame the issue in the actual, real moment. I try my damndest to do as little harm as humanly possible to anyone. Should I be forced to give money to someone affected? Land? Should I be punished?

Who benefits? A grandson of someone displaced? A great great grandson? Whole family trees? How do you make shit like this right after so much time?

Mostly, I'm trying to encourage thought and discussion. Fundamentally, I think people should be judged on their own merits and actions, not their lineage.

[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That will always be an issue until the US government actually has real communication and cooperation with native people.

I don’t necessarily think that citizens of occupied land are automatically responsible for the past actions of a government (not to say that’s what you implied), but said government that committed the atrocities is. As far as the other part of the equation, I suppose the beneficiaries should be determined by the natives themselves.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago
[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The way I understand it is that even if we omit any ancestral blame for what happened, the Native Americans are still dealing with the impact while European descendants benefit from it. It's kind of like if I went to school with a very bright kid that was horribly abused and kicked out into the streets, so they performed poorly and dropped out, allowing me to get into the best college possible and have a great career. Why should I have any compassion for this kid if I didn't abuse them myself? Why would I help them get housed and into college? Why would I even acknowledge that they were abused and forced out of their home? I'm one that earned it by working hard to get into college and graduate.

This omits the possibility that this kid might have outperformed me and taken the college spot, leaving me to be in a worse off situation.

[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

Not 1000% on board with your analogy, but I understand and fully agree lol.

I just wish most people had the empathy and mental capacity to understand the intricacies of this stuff. It’s a hell of a lot easier to just say “uH wOw I ain’t payin reparations for no dang indians” than it is to actually think for a minute about and acknowledge the real history of where you live

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The genocide is still ongoing, they just don't tell you about it. In Canada cops will flat out murder or disappear them right off the streets.

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[–] bquintb@midwest.social 27 points 2 years ago

That's too bad, couldn't find one in jpeg?

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago
[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile the UK 1707-1914:

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

This isn't a meme and should be removed but yes agreed this is like common north america histly knowledge

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

For those interested, native-land.ca is a collective project to map the ancestral territories of Indigenous peoples.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Highly recommend reading the Red Deal, which is written by Indigenous socialists on what they think decolonisation should entail.

https://therednation.org/about-maisha/

Also keep in mind that every Indigenous community has different views on colonialism and the land and sovereignty issue. Some really just want to be left alone on their historical territory, others actively want to work with non-Indigenous people living on and around their ancestral land, and everything in between with tons of nuance. There is no singular "Indigenous attitide" on this though there does tend to be similar schools of thought. The most important thing in decolonization is to listen to all of them and respect their wishes.

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