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[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

Can somebody shed some light on which sort of immigration is causing an increased support to this party? Are we talking of legal economic immigrants from e.g. the EU, illegal immigrats from wherever, or war refugees? If it's refugees, where from?

I'm just trying to understand what's driving this change. I have family in the UK and a lot of the anti-EU sentiment around Brexit seemed to arise from the perceived effect of an influx of legal immigrants from the Eastern bloc of the EU.

[-] Hubi@feddit.de 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's mostly just the fear of immigrants in general and populist right wing stuff like "they take out jobs", "they will replace us" and such. It's general xenophobia against all kinds of people, be they eastern European, from the Balkans or Mediterranean.

Ironically, studies have shown time and time again that the areas with the highest concentration of AfD-voters are also the ones with the least amount of immigration. Adding to that, the AfD has a very large social media presence and there are a ton of people spreading fear, propaganda and, to a large part, Russian disinformation. They always make the most outrageous claims and offer the most simple solutions that have no basis in reality. Some people are unhappy with rising prices and stagnating economy and are blaming it on the "new" government that hasn't had a chance to clean up after 16 years of conservative Christian rule and was elected in the middle of multiple global crises.

[-] wdx@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago

The old tale of Schrödingers Immigrants.

Stealing our jobs while simultaneously living off welfare.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

that hasn’t had a chance to clean up

...might want to add that with the Liberal party being a part of the government, there is no capability to clean up this mess even if the government wanted to, because the liberals will block anything that isn't tax cuts for big business.

The whole situation is also a result of the blatant failure of the entire political system to get anything useful done. It looks increasingly like the final years of the Weimar Republic.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago

It's the good old fOrEiGnErS bAd narrative. They phrase it as "illegal" migration, though, because phrasing it more bluntly would be illegal in Germany for historical reasons.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

The fear of all kind of non white immigration. like all far right parties they arw strongest in areas with low or no immigration though

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

All immigration, but if they say that out loud people will call them fascists and there's nothing that makes a fascist more upset than getting called a fascist before they think they can largely ignore any social consequences which normally would come with that distinction.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From what I can tell, not actual immigration but irrational fear of immigration and also a good portion of racism is causing support for AfD.

[-] the_wise_wolf@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

I think the answers others have given you definitely apply to the very far right voters. They are against all form of immigration. But that doesn't explain the AFD's rise in popularity. So I'm going to talk about the more moderate rightwing people here. There is a lot of immigration into Germany, EU migrants and legal, as well as illigal immigration from outside the EU. Plus Ukrainian refugees. Most people on the right don't mind EU migrants as well as Ukrainian refugees. Ukrainian refugees btw. are mostly women and children. Legal migrants from outside the EU are more complicated, and I'm sure there are various levels of acceptance. The real problem though are illegal immigrants, mostly from the middle east and Africa. They are mostly men with poor education and in many areas the infrastructure to accommodate them are at their limits. It doesn't help that these places are neglected and violence does break out at some of them every now and then. These stories obviously spread on social media like wildfire.

[-] brainrein@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

It’s the immigration of people with darker skin color that Germans don’t like. Nobody ever talks about EU-immigrants. Or Ukrainian refugees. The media don’t mention them, the politicians don’t propose laws to give them a hard time here. It’s all about African, Afghan, Syrian, and even the quite well integrated people with Turkish roots.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nobody ever talks about EU-immigrants.

There are at least a couple of cringe share pics going around WhatsApp. AfD is heavily in Putins pocket.

edit: actually meant to quote that part:

Or Ukrainian refugees.

[-] trollercoaster@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

The typical AFD voter doesn't care about such nuances like skin colour. For them it's all foreigners and foreigners bad.

[-] autotldr 7 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The far-right, anti-immigration Alternative für Deutschland has declared itself a “major all-German party” after winning its biggest ever vote share in a western German state.

Political analysts and politicians themselves were quick to blame the actions of the central government for the poor showing, with dissatisfaction expressed over everything from its building heating reforms to the cost of living crisis and post-pandemic labour shortages.

The political future of Nancy Faeser, the interior minister who ran as the main candidate for the SPD in Hesse, was in doubt after the party’s dismal performance there, even as Scholz said he would stand behind her.

Manfred Güllner, the head of the Forsa polling institute, attributed the far right’s success to “the huge alienation between the governing parties in Berlin and the many normal working people”.

In polling, 21% of people in Bavaria said migration was the most important issue in deciding how they voted; and this was the case for 18% in Hesse.

Markus Söder, the head of the Christian Social Union, which has ruled in Bavaria for decades and secured the most votes, with 37% – albeit the party’s historically worst result – said voters had sent an “alarm signal” to Berlin.


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[-] EarMaster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The good thing is that the party will soon split up because they all want to be number one...

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