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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

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[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (25 children)

No electricity, no food, no water…

If everyday people have the choice of sitting and starving or doing something about it, I doubt many would go quietly into the night.

Israel will create the next generation of extremists if they do not kill every single person in Gaza. We’ve seen this in every modern Middle East conflict in the past 40 or so years.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I always find it odd how people blame “extremists” and the Palestinians for this.

Israel starts to steal homes, land and killing men, children and women. No one bat an eye to that.

Then extremists and hate towards Israel came and bam, they are the bad ones suddenly.

Certainly what Hamas does is entirely wrong however - People cannot expect them be silent and get killed by Israeli forces.

This is what happens from decades upon decades of oppression.

This entire conflict was created by Israel stealing land and starting an genocide mission on Palestinians.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.

Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.

[–] newDayRocks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

What do you ask for here? And what do you give up?

[–] snek@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Release Palestinians illegally detained by Israel without trial in place fo the hoostages.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago

.... And stop settling the west bank, revert to the 1967 borders, etc.

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[–] knotthatone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

You don't. There's no negotiating with terrorists, it's too late. There is no good solution. The best Israel can do right now is make every effort to target Hamas, minimize civilian casualties and try to rescue as many people as they can.

If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they'll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.

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[–] seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 58 points 2 years ago

Oh god. My heart goes out to the civilians of Gaza.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Cool so they're announcing they're doing war crimes?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 years ago

They never weren't, but they at least had the decency to pretend like they weren't before.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Taking and killing hostages are both war crimes.

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, so war crimes are justified as long as the other side does it first?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Potentially, sure. Things like carpet bombing civilian areas, certain uses of minefields, certain munitions, etc are banned by convention but the thing about the Geneva Conventions are that they are a mutual treaty. Your nation agrees not to do it to other signatories or nations or forces that have otherwise agreed to the limitations as well.

In this case? No. Not at all justified. Hamas might not agree to the Conventions, and thus don't benefit from the protections, but the moment they suspended elections they lost the right to claim they represent the Gaza Strip, even if Israel didn't claim it as territory regardless.

Israel is a signatory of the Conventions, and the Gaza Strip is their claimed land, this is a war crime against people they claim as their own, the actions of what amounts to a domestic terrorist network is irrelevant to whether they can starve people into submission.

A standard genocidal tactic of imperialists everywhere, mind you, from the Irish famine, to the Holodomor, to the Bengal Famines.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Israel doesn't claim Gaza though

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[–] Sivalente@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Israel unilaterally removed itself from the gaza strip all most 20 years ago. They only sell infrastructure to the gazan government.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yes but this particular news story is about Israel publicly announcing a war crime.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

One of these is a state. A state with US military support.

[–] nicoweio@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And war crimes justify war crimes?

[–] Pasta4u@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Murder is against the law in western countries but of someone tries to kill you, you can kill them in self defense.

So yea of someone is committing war crimes against you, you can fo ahead and fight back to get them to stop

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly

So business as usual, eh?

[–] thechadwick@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's just crazy to me that Israel went from forced migration, following ghetto concentration, to concentrating others with the same dehumanizing rhetoric in the space if a generation.

Not to excuse Hamas' actions in the slightest, the rocket attack is unjustifiable no matter anyone's political beliefs. But it boggles my mind that a national identity can flip so drastically that Palestine can be put into de facto concentration camps by people who remember being in camps (albeit in tiny surviving numbers nowadays).

Propaganda works folks. Don't be a sucker.

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Thats a bit too much... food and water at minimum

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many Palestinians will end up dying from this. Hamas destroyed any chance there was of peace happening.

[–] branchial@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Peace was literally never an option Israel offered.

[–] DrM@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's untrue, Israel offered peace a lot of times to Palestine before the Hamas took control in 2007. After Hamas it of course was never an option, the main purpose Hamas sees in itself is the complete destruction of Israel

[–] triclops6@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

People here are not fans of the facts you are inconveniencing then with

[–] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

Israeli politicians bicker and argue over who can find a final solution to the Palestinian problem fastest.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many have pointed this out, but I'll say it again: this only affects innocent people.

Hamas has long stockpiled food, water, fuel, guns, and ammunition. They will be the last to run out.

This does nothing but radicalize the rest of the population, something I would assume the zionist government wants.

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